Bonus mods...
 

I am not trying to be a stick in the mud or anything like that, but I do have an issue with the so called bonus mods.

This site started off as a way for folks to modify some great games. Well, that is good and fine. It still is that, but I don't think it is right to take content that started off as freeware and holding it hostage from the folks who can't afford it.

My wife and I live on a very fixed income, and well I am also disabled, that leads us to have a to,e pm living on less then 2,000 a month.

Now i come back online and find what use to be free free content now being held away from the general public.....

This violates the idea of freeware, and I wonder if it violates the license of the games as well? I know it violates what i perceived to be the spirit of this site.

i am disappointed in what i see on this great site....

The administrators need to remember not everyone who comes here has a lot of money.

Thanks for all the great content here, but this is not fair to those in circumstances that can't be helped,

Darrel W.

Takes money to run this site and keep it mostly free.Site goes on donations alone, I get what you are saying but it's one, incomplete mod that requires donation as opposed to all the others which are free.Well , for the community anyways.

im not sure what you are talking about here :hmmm:


the only restrictions I am aware of is they packaged some large groups of mods into single downloads and restricted that to members who donate but the same mods are available for free you just have to take longer to download them one at a time is all.

everything on this site is completely free, they just made downloading some large mod packages such as "sober's sh5 mod list" easier for contributing members by having a single one download package for it.

as bubblehead1980 mentioned, the website needs donations to survive so the bonus section was created to offer something extra in the form of "ease of downloading" popular mod groups as an added extra thank you to those who help this site stay in operation so it can exist at all.

neal understands that not everyone is willing to donate so its strictly done as an extra reward for those who can help out. everything in the bonus section is put there as an extra bonus for members who donate but all they are getting as a bonus is convenience so they aren't getting anything everyone else doesn't have the same ability to get for free with a little extra time and effort needed.

There is nothing in the bonus mods area that you can't get elsewhere except for the convenience of a single, dependable download source.

Considering the time it would take to find every thing there, then down load it all. Then add what your paying for basic internet access that whole time?

A 5 buck donation is a steal!! And that's all it takes. A couple bucks. Spare change.
In states that have a 10 cent deposit on cans? That's 50 cans.

Sorry, but it bugs me when people can pay an internet bill then complain about SubSim like this.
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its all about perspective :timeout:

having spare money for donating to online forums is not a fair comparison to having internet, some people NEED internet so its not just a luxury item for everyone.

but I can see the point where the way some people put priority on things can be puzzling :hmmm: and hard to understand but no one is really ever in a position where they should judge others.

we here at SUBSIM ask for those who can to donate what they can afford in order to help support the website and keep it running but IMO we shouldn't ever make anyone feel they need to defend why they choose not to


I think he is just a new member who didn't understand he can still get everything he wanted by downloading them seperately

Free Loaders
 

I agree with Privateer on this one. Nothing irritates me as much :mad: as dissatisfied free loaders, whether it is complaining about free content on the internet, or elsewhere in life (currently the ACA in the USA).
Webster has a good point about people needing the internet; however, when they choose to use it for pleasure (i.e. gaming) they shouldn't feel entitled to freeload. I have no problem with taking and using free content but the expectation of being entitled to it is wrong.

In many cases the internet can be life or death. There is cases of the intenet being needed to tranmit infermation for medical purpuses.

I just find it against the spirt of freeware to charge for it.

disinate it from the start as payware and hey I have no problem, but would the developers of the game?

Before we judge why a person has to have intenret or not, Remember one day you could be in that circumstance.

I jjust find it sad, that we have to resort for charging for moded content that will shas free from the start....

It is an opinion, I expressed it.

I have no hard feelings toward anyone, and after all This is just a game.

SubSim is about so much more than just the downloads area. This is the absolute best resource anywhere for information about game play, technical help, and camaraderie as it relates not just to our favorite sim, but current events, etc~

Not only can you improve your enjoyment of the game through the experience of others who share their knowledge for all here- but you can make your game so much more than it ever was right out of the box.

You found a way to make a purchase of the original game, which was likely much more than the minimum contribution here to help defray the cost of providing a great service- I believe it is likely you can afford to support the site if it is worthwhile to you. If it is, support it as best you can. If it isn't, then don't.

The way I look at it, is that I am paying a few dollars more to make the game I enjoy, so much more enjoyable than it ever was as a stock game. The hours of enjoyment that I get in return, is worth it.

It is a matter of value, convenience (we always pay for convenience) and priorities. My "entertainment dollars" are also limited and I chose how I spend those dollars. SubSim deserves a small bit of it, and they get it. It is worth every penny to me, and more- could I afford to do so.

To the entire SubSim community, I say :salute:

Well said, and I agree with much of what you said. The downloads are completely free. What you get with your contribution is access to download vary large files in one swoop. For example, the GWX download is several gigabytes, which you can download also from Jimbuna's website in several very large files. If you join the SubSim navy, you get it with one click. And if you have serious internet problems with large downloads, a polite request to a SubSim member will usually get you the files in the mail on an installation DVD.

By the way, welcome aboard:woot:

I know all about the 'net being a medical must have.
I have a step-grandson with a terminal illness and we use the 'net extensively for his needs and all the other kids that suffer the same problem.
:nope:

So 'net access is a top priority here at home.

I do support SubSim with donations along with a couple other forums as I can.

Not for what I can download but for the people that I have become friends with through the forums.

Take a day (or 3 or 4) and find all the freeware from other sources.
It's out there.
Good hunting.
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Bonus is exactly that, a bonus to donators. I donated this year, but before that I've never had a problem DL over 300 different mods.

Just a misunderstanding I'm sure, we're glad to have you aboard. If you ever have a problem wanting a mod, just name it and say so, someone will find it for you.

I went down for almost 3 years due to a nerve illness and several back operations. Heck, I was basically bed ridden for one year. This forum became my home and helped me keep my sanity during that time. It's a great forum with many good members.

Darrel, it appears you are not reading what others have written: There is NOTHING available for a contribution on this site which is not ALSO available FOR FREE on other sites. SubSIm does some repackaging to encourage people to donate money to support the site, but the contents of the packages are all available for free at other sites. (There, I just said it twice.) And ALL the repackaged mods that SubSim offers to raise money it does with the permission of the people who did the work. It is a part of their contribution to this site. All things considered, it shouldn't be a problem to anyone. Those who can not afford a contribution - and there are some of us who can't - have perfectly good and easily accessible free alternatives.

I have been 100% disabled since 1998, when I was pronounced "P&S". (Since you are disabled, you know what that means.) I am 70 years old (will be next week, actually), and my wife, who is retired, and I live on a fixed income, just like you. I know how important the entertainment the Internet affords can be for a person with neither the ability nor resources to get out often for fun. Since you seem to be in much more serious hardship than we are, I will try to help. I am going to contact Neal Stevens on a PM and ask that he arrange for a $5 contrib from me to be applied to your account. Then you will be able to download any and all Bonus Mods for the next six months. I hope that will help you to have a more positive attitude toward this community, which offers much pleasant social contact in addition to free downloads.

God loves you. And a lot of people on this site would like to spend time chatting with you about our common interests.

I don't disagree with privateer but as a representative of this website I was defending the ability for anyone to be a freeloading member if anyone cares to be because contributing is strictly voluntary and we place no demands on our members here, I was in no way trying to defend or in any way agree with anything you said but give you the benefit of the doubt you may have misunderstood how it works.

you are 100% absolutely wrong and being arrogant and demanding of what is in essence a bonus gift offered only to financial supporters of this website.

once again you claim it costs something to get these mods when IT COST NOTHING AND EVERY MOD AT THIS WEBSITE IS 100% FREE, get that through your head. yes there might be one or two mods created there just for those who contribute as a way to encourage donations but those modders created those mods just for fund raising purposes and its they who aren't sharing them free by their own choice. at the same time those mods would never exist otherwise if they weren't created as a reward to those who donate. everything else in the bonus section is still available to freeloaders to download as individual mods for free.

if you are a contributing member to funding the website SUBSIM has a way to make getting mods faster and easier by going through the trouble to download them for you and getting permissions from modders to package it all in one big download so you get your 10 or 15 mods in one easy download.

the equivalent to this download bonus is like SUBSIM stopping on the side of the road to help you fix a flat tire because you helped SUBSIM in the past. now here you come crying about how come SUBSIM doesn't want to help you change your tire, well you haven't helped SUBSIM in the past so you did nothing to warrant getting any help but it still doesn't cost you anything more or less either way.

stop being a selfish crybaby just because you want extra benefits you did nothing to earn.

bonus mods are just that, an EARNED bonus. if you want it then you have to earn it, if you cant earn it then don't cry about not getting it.

I'm going with BigWallye on this in a way.

I'll toss in a donation to your name on a condition.
You download whatever you want as fast as you can then come back and tell us how we did a bad thing.

I will watch to see if you complain after that!
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