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icthird623 04-21-13 07:39 AM

Buoy System
 
Is anyone familiar with the buoy system in 1939? I believe today the international color and lighting system uses a red color or light on the starboard side approaching a harbor or channel and green on the port side. I notice it appears to be the opposite in SH 5.
I could be wrong

IC3

raymond6751 04-21-13 08:06 AM

Helm - hard to port
 
You may just be on the wrong side of the bouys! :har:

tat501 04-21-13 08:26 AM

Right Red Returning! I think it is the same in the game.

Keep the green ones on your port side and red on starboard when heading into port and the red on your port side when leaving port.

There is a thread on here with some illustrations etc regarding this I think!

icthird623 04-21-13 08:51 AM

I agree with Tat and that was what I was trying to say. In my setup it is the opposite. It is not a big deal, I just wondered if I was missing something.

Happy Sailing

Trevally. 04-21-13 09:28 AM

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Red ATONs always have even numbers, and green ATONs have odd numbers. Under the IALA B standard used in North and South America, when you are going to sea, the red ATON is on your left, and the green on your right. Under the IALA A standard used in Europe, Africa and most of Asia, the colors are reversed.
In the IALA B system, the red ATONs are on your right when you return from sea (Red Right Returning) and the green on your left. Red daybeacons are triangles and green daybeacons are squares. All of these ATONs are Lateral Markers that mark traffic channels and where it is safe to travel.
:up:

BigWalleye 04-21-13 11:53 AM

Having sailed all my life in the Western Hemisphere, I figured the red markers to starboard outbound Kiel were another error of the game, or maybe a result of the Canal. If red were to starboard at the west entrance to the canal, and consistently throughout its length, there would be a red marker to starboard at the Kiel end and possibly at the mouth of Kiel harbor as well. The system doesn't lend itself well to double-ended channels.

But, based on the source Trevally posted, which seems correct, it's even worse than that. There are two exactly opposite standards! One rule for roughly half the world, and the opposite for the other half! Kind of misses the point of standardization, especially in regard to navaids, where users would be going from one standards area to another pretty regularly. And this is what is described as the IALA Rationalized System.

Don't drink and sail!

gap 04-21-13 12:03 PM

From my experience, I can confirm that at least in Italy port lights are as described by Trevally: entering ports, red light on the left and green on the right hand :yep:

Kessner 04-21-13 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by raymond6751 (Post 2044691)
You may just be on the wrong side of the bouys! :har:

:haha:

Kessner 04-21-13 03:03 PM

Wait a minute....There is a wrong side of the bouys? :shifty:

Fifi 04-21-13 03:34 PM

:huh: In RL, leaving harbor IS with red on right side and green on left side, entering harbor IS with red on left side and green on right side...from long time (couldn't say start date though) and any place i've been in Pacific area and european area.

icthird623 04-21-13 03:49 PM

Extremely interesting, thank you all for your input,

BigWalleye 04-21-13 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fifi (Post 2044823)
:huh: In RL, leaving harbor IS with red on right side and green on left side, entering harbor IS with red on left side and green on right side...from long time (couldn't say start date though) and any place i've been in Pacific area and european area.

That's true in Oceania and Europe, but absolutely INCORRECT anywhere in the Western Hemisphere (and Japan and the Philippines, too, I understand). Here, the rule has always been: "Red Right Returning."

Fifi 04-21-13 07:56 PM

Ok, then didn't know it was other way in Japan or elsewhere...:huh:
Pretty dangerous if you're not aware! :D

Sailor Steve 04-21-13 10:41 PM

Yes it is dangerous if you don't know. I was unaware of the two different systems, so I checked and sure enough, they are opposite each other.
http://www.sailingissues.com/navcourse9.html#direction

I never noticed that in any Silent Hunter game. When leaving or entering port at night I just stick close to the lights that are on my right, and pay no attention to the color.

gap 04-22-13 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BigWalleye (Post 2044903)
That's true in Oceania and Europe, but absolutely INCORRECT anywhere in the Western Hemisphere (and Japan and the Philippines, too, I understand). Here, the rule has always been: "Red Right Returning."

Sometimes a couple of pictures say more than a thousand words. From Wikipedia:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...tribution_.PNG
IALA Regions

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-Belle-Ile.jpg
Leaving port (IALA Region A)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 2044968)
Yes it is dangerous if you don't know. I was unaware of the two different systems, so I checked and sure enough, they are opposite each other.
http://www.sailingissues.com/navcourse9.html#direction

Good link. Thank you for sharing, Steve :up:


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