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Obama tells U.N.: U.S. will ‘always stand up’ for freedom around the world

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President Barack Obama arrives at John F. Kennedy International Airport September 24, 2012 in New York, N.Y. View more photos from the campaign trail.

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NEW YORK — President Obama urged world leaders Tuesday to condemn the recent deadly attacks against U.S. diplomats and missions in Libya and Egypt, suggesting that now is a key moment in the struggle for democratic freedom in the Muslim world.

Speaking to the U.N. General Assembly, Obama told his audience that “it is the obligation of all leaders, in all countries, to speak out forcefully against violence and extremism.” He also made clear that the United States would “do what we must to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.”

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“It is time to marginalize those who — even when not resorting to violence — use hatred of America, or the West, or Israel as a central principle of politics,” Obama said in the fourth such address of his presidency. “For that only gives cover, and sometimes makes excuses, for those who resort to violence.”

Obama used his address to defend the U.S. role in the Middle East and North Africa to an extent he has not done before, calling for help from those diplomats gathered in ensuring that the unpredictable political transition underway ends in democratic government and economic opportunity. He cited the violent war for Syria, the Palestinian national movement and other regional struggles to reaffirm American support for those seeking freedom.

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Note: Tuesday, September 25, 5:21 PM

For those of you keeping score at home, the choice in the 2012 election in terms of foriegn policy is now a decision between nation building or nation building. :down:

No easy options available in terms of this...

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Originally Posted by Vendor (Post 1939173)

No easy options available in terms of this...

Sure there are. Stop with the nation building. Special interest isn't going to let that happen, though.

The people want another, but the politicians are running their own race.

With us or against us?

Well....in many cases against us!

I would really like to see Obama standing up for the freedom of his own citizens. A nice start would be abolishing the Patriot Act and giving a finger to laws written by lobbies.

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1939179)

Sure there are. Stop with the nation building. Special interest isn't going to let that happen, though.

Ah the military industrial complex and foreign entanglements. I seem to recall a couple of famous people saying something about those subjects... :hmm2:

I see its that kinky time of the year again that they call "carnival".

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"carnival". do not last forever

:hmmm:

The sad fact is that the people of the muslim world just are not capable of handling liberty, freedom, democracy etc . The naivete' shown by some leaders amazes me, to think you can reason with these people is absurd.Reasoning with anyone who is devoutly religious is just not possible.Sure there are intellectuals and good people there but their society en masse is not capable of functioning as a free society.We should have worked to keep Mubarak and others in power, at least they kept them in line.PC? no, but the truth? yes. There is a reason the western world is far ahead of muslim world...

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 1939419)

We should have worked to keep Mubarak and others in power, at least they kept them in line.PC? no, but the truth? yes. There is a reason the western world is far ahead of muslim world...

Yeah and the reason is that in the west nearly constant warfare and revolutions eventually broke the aristocracy's and the churches stranglehold on the people. What you're advocating is the equivalent of kicking the can down the road. The problem with that tactic is more you do that the worse it will get once that can can no longer be kicked.

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 1939419)

The sad fact is that the people of the muslim world just are not capable of handling liberty, freedom, democracy etc .

Well, just as long as you are not over generalizing over 1.6 billion people (about 23% of the worlds total population), spread over 49 nations (only counting those nations with more than 50% of the population being Muslim), and split among four different major sects of Islam that's OK.

:doh:

49 Nations and 6 major sects forming one Ummah (not six - one) that always all of a sudden speak with remarkable unity and conformity when it is about pushing back other cultures, relativising freedom and free speech and human rights, propagating human rights as defined by Islam, and demanding special status for Islam.

The army of a country may have different weapon branches, divisions and brigades. It still is one army.