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Bubblehead1980 05-16-12 08:27 AM

B-25 for RSRD?
 
RSRD has the Task Force that launched the Doolittle Raid in April 1942 at the right time and place to launch.I am working on adding the airstrike to the campaign which it lacks(surprising Lurker never put it in there) as well as a stand a lone mission to release where player sub acts as a lifeguard for the raiders.While not historical to really do so, it would be fun, challenging, and interesting, since watching planes attack the ships is a lot of fun in RSRD.

I would prefer to have B-25's so do not have to use a substitute.Anyone have a B-25 model they could make into a mod so it's easily adding to RSRD? Thanks in advance

Webster 05-16-12 03:32 PM

lurker didnt like doing anything non realistic which may be why but then again there was an issue of copyrights with the B-25'sand a few other planes so thats why they werent in the stock game and could be why none were modeled for they game yet but i dont know for sure

Bubblehead1980 05-16-12 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Webster (Post 1884641)
lurker didnt like doing anything non realistic which may be why but then again there was an issue of copyrights with the B-25'sand a few other planes so thats why they werent in the stock game and could be why none were modeled for they game yet but i dont know for sure

Yea I remember that silly part with stock, but so many US planes were imported to RSRD, figured a B-25 was out there somewhere and would ask.

Webster 05-17-12 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 1884703)
Yea I remember that silly part with stock, but so many US planes were imported to RSRD, figured a B-25 was out there somewhere and would ask.


i think the big bugaboo was in actually finding a B-25 model out there somewhere

it really is a shame we dont have the B-25's and Catalina's in the game :nope:

Bubblehead1980 05-17-12 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Webster (Post 1885010)
i think the big bugaboo was in actually finding a B-25 model out there somewhere

it really is a shame we dont have the B-25's and Catalina's in the game :nope:

Catalinas are in RSRD along with a lot of other us planes like B-24's, in fact there are a couple versions of the PBY in RSRD. I have a couple flying around Truk during the airstrikes on DUMBO duty.Also, have PB4Y's(Navy version of B-24_ striking Wake Island on Feb 5 and 10 1944 so can play lifeguard as Tang did on her first patrol(think it was her first) The models look fine in RSRD but pretty sure they were imported.F4U, P-51, TBF, F4F among others are also in RSRD.Just wish had the F6F, B-25, and B-29.I plan to use the generic long range bomber from stock as a stand in for B-29, if I recall from stock days they look similar, kind of.Going to add B-29's hitting Japan in and 45.Traffic in RSRD gets pretty slow after Jan Feb 1945 so need something to do, wish I knew how to institute it into the campaign with lifeguard orders etc instead of just knowing when to be there.Ah well.I was sick this week so had plenty of time to fool around with SH 4, going to be busy with exams a few days then plan to make some more changes.

JapLance 05-17-12 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Webster (Post 1885010)
i think the big bugaboo was in actually finding a B-25 model out there somewhere

it really is a shame we dont have the B-25's and Catalina's in the game :nope:

When I worked in the British Mediterranean Campaign I successfully imported a few Italian planes from Combat Flight Simulator 2 into SH4. They needed further work, but they were indeed usable as AI planes.

The stock CFS2 game had a B-25, and there has been thousands of add-on planes built later. Has anybody tried that road before?

Bubblehead1980 05-17-12 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JapLance (Post 1885047)
When I worked in the British Mediterranean Campaign I successfully imported a few Italian planes from Combat Flight Simulator 2 into SH4. They needed further work, but they were indeed usable as AI planes.

The stock CFS2 game had a B-25, and there has been thousands of add-on planes built later. Has anybody tried that road before?

I remember CFS 2, was a great name I never did add on things, I loaded it up not along ago to play but need to get a new joystick as my sidewinder, which was awseome, does not work with windows 7.I have been meaning to ask is there a way to make it work? Would love to give CFS II a try with all the add ons sometime(where do I find them?) Perhaps someone would be willing to import a B-25.

Hylander_1314 05-17-12 07:08 PM

What copyright issue would they have with planes that are museum pieces and airshow attractions? It's just a game here.

If I knew how to set up the scale in Wings 3D, so it would import to the game properly, I would make one, with the different variants, from the standard bomber, to the harbor raiding gunships. They were very popular with George Kenny and the 5th Airforce, from raiding harbors to attacking groundforces and installations with parafrag bombs.

One field mod by some enterprizing airmen, had a 75mm gun mounted to fire through the nose, but it required a crewmember to manually load each round that was fired. Pilots swore, when that thing was fired, they could feel the plane momentarily stop in mid-air from the recoil.

But I would like to make Wildcats, Hellcats, P-40s, revamp the P-38, with a Pacific style colorscheme, Oscars, Georges, Tonys, Jills, and some of the more obscure planes you don't really see in games.

Webster 05-17-12 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hylander_1314 (Post 1885233)
What copyright issue would they have with planes that are museum pieces and airshow attractions? It's just a game here.

because the company that made the planes want someone to pay big money for the rights to use its likeness

if you did it for yourself fine, i dont think anyone will knock down your door but if you put it up for others to download then that action means you are an online pirate giving out copyrighted materials, if you upload that here or anywhere else for downloading then that website can be shut down and sued over it.

what sounds like it makes good common sense doesnt always follow the rules of law that can cover copyrighted stuff because someone somewhere always wants to be greedy and make money off of others work.

Hylander_1314 05-17-12 08:00 PM

Soooooooooo,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, North American Aviation wants royalties for a plane they haven't had in production for over 70 years...............:dead:

Ohhhhhhhhhh brother. Now I've heard it all.............

So how did the all the flightsims get away with using it's likeness? Like Aces of the Pacific, and Aces Over Europe, CFS2 and CFS3, and all the mods that have been done from guys building them on their home system, and offerring it for free?

I think even Pacific Airwar Gold had a B-25 in it. Oh and so did European Airwar, an add-on, no pay freebie plane.

Just doesn't make sense.

So I wonder, if those model manufacturers pay them for making scale models of them? I built Guillows balsa construction B-25 when I was in highschool. Only as a static display model though. Covered it with very thin sheet balsa, and then adhered tinfoil to it to simulate the natural duralumin skin. Even took a clock gear on yoke and scribed little bumps in the foil to simulate the rivet heads.

Webster 05-18-12 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hylander_1314 (Post 1885257)
Soooooooooo,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, North American Aviation wants royalties for a plane they haven't had in production for over 70 years...............:dead:

Ohhhhhhhhhh brother. Now I've heard it all..............


that was what UBI claimed as the reason it wasnt in the game, they couldnt come to terms with royalty rights.

i guess the other games ponied up the fee to use it

Hylander_1314 05-18-12 09:03 PM

The real joke would be Douglas wanting royalties for the TBD! That planr was more dangerous to those who flew it, than it was to the enemy.

Oh well, such is so.


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