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Bubblehead1980 05-09-12 03:48 AM
(req) Make aircraft dropped torpedoes in RSRD have wakes.
 
Anyone know how to make the aircraft dropped torpedoes in RSRD have wakes ?

Webster 05-09-12 01:04 PM
i believe is the "type" of torpedo that determines if its wakeless or not

try switching the equipt load to another type of torpedo


as far as being realistic i think it may have been that way in real life but im not much of a history buff. it sounds reasonable that a plane dropped torpedo is already "marked" by the planes location and direction so it is reasonable to assume it should be wakeless to allow a much beter chance of it hitting the target without being avoided

Bubblehead1980 05-09-12 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Webster (Post 1881694)
i believe is the "type" of torpedo that determines if its wakeless or not

try switching the equipt load to another type of torpedo


as far as being realistic i think it may have been that way in real life but im not much of a history buff. it sounds reasonable that a plane dropped torpedo is already "marked" by the planes location and direction so it is reasonable to assume it should be wakeless to allow a much beter chance of it hitting the target without being avoided
Far as I know, historically speaking, all aircraft torpedoes used in PTO or majority had wakes.Never seen anything about aircraft dropping wakeless fish.I could be wrong but pretty sure I am not.I do know the US Mark 13 air dropped torpedo had a wake and pretty sure the Japanese ones did as well.

Would be nice to fit history, also easier to watch torpedoes track their targets in the game when aircraft drop them, battles can get chaotic.

Webster 05-09-12 11:07 PM
if the torps dont have wakes then they must be electrics so switch them to steam torps

Nbjackso 05-10-12 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Webster (Post 1881926)
if the torps dont have wakes then they must be electrics so switch them to steam torps
Steam torpedoes on an airplane does not sound very realistic :)

Webster 05-10-12 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Nbjackso (Post 1881947)
Steam torpedoes on an airplane does not sound very realistic :)
i thought so too and electrics IMO mean wakeless (no steam trail) but he said they did indeed have wakes so if that is true then you will have to pick your poison.

assuming he was correct in that plane dropped torpedos had wakes so going on that premis you have to choose to have unrealistic torpedo types to give you the realistic torpedo wakes or leave it like it is which he says is unrealistic because there are no torpedo wakes for plane dropped torpedos

Klaus 05-10-12 09:55 AM
I'm not sure, but torps launched in Pearl Harbor atack by japanese aircrafts was steam torpedoes, so is realistic, more of that, electric torpedoes of time was very long to recover flotability lost because of very hard accumulators and not used on planes :)

peabody 05-10-12 11:21 AM
According to Wiki they were "wet-heater steam turbine". So they used compressed air and injected kerosene into the air and ignited it and that made the air expand even more to turn the turbine, and they cooled the combustion chamber with water which created steam which created even more power to turn the turbine.
And I do not know if I have the latest version but the Air torpedo JP does have a shipwake attached to it, so I don't know why it wouldn't show.

TorpX 05-12-12 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Nbjackso (Post 1881947)
Steam torpedoes on an airplane does not sound very realistic :)
The USN Mk 13 air-launched torpedo was definately steam. I don't know for sure what the IJN air-launched was, but what would be the point in using an electric type?
Electrics had poor range-speed performance.

Batteries were high-maintainance, heavy, and generally needed to be pre-heated for best performance.

Even if the torpedo was trackless, the plane itself was highly visible. A stealth attack was virtually impossible.

merc4ulfate 01-03-13 11:04 PM
This is a shot of CV5 USS Yorktown. This is during the battle of Midway. The Yorktown, besides being hit by Bombs was struck by two type 91 aerial torpedo during the mid-afternoon attack by planes from the carrier Hiryu, 4 June 1942.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4...itbytorped.jpg

From this ariel shot you can clearly see the torpedos from the planes had wake. There are four fish shown but only two struck the Yorktown.

Days later she was sunk along with a tending destroyer, USS Hammonn (DD-412), by the Japanese submarine I-168 when it fired four torpedos. One missed, another hit the Hammonn amidship breaking her in half, two hit the Yorktown. Both ships sank.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/e...ay/mid-10d.htm

TorpX 01-04-13 12:27 AM
Good Picture there.

I'm struck by the fact that the Yorktown hardly seems to be turning at all. Perhaps, they failed to spot the aircraft in time?

Webster 01-04-13 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TorpX (Post 1987937)
Good Picture there.

I'm struck by the fact that the Yorktown hardly seems to be turning at all. Perhaps, they failed to spot the aircraft in time?
i dont believe they always zig-zag because it slows them down a lot so i would imagine part of the evasive manuvers so not to be predictable is to occassionally go straight when expected to zig-zag and this also increases speed

tater 01-04-13 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by merc4ulfate (Post 1987918)
This is a shot of CV5 USS Yorktown. This is during the battle of Midway. The Yorktown, besides being hit by Bombs was struck by two type 91 aerial torpedo during the mid-afternoon attack by planes from the carrier Hiryu, 4 June 1942.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4...itbytorped.jpg

From this ariel shot you can clearly see the torpedos from the planes had wake. There are four fish shown but only two struck the Yorktown.

Days later she was sunk along with a tending destroyer, USS Hammonn (DD-412), by the Japanese submarine I-168 when it fired four torpedos. One missed, another hit the Hammonn amidship breaking her in half, two hit the Yorktown. Both ships sank.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/e...ay/mid-10d.htm
That's not an aerial photo, it's a (very famous) diorama by Norman Bel Geddes.

TorpX 01-05-13 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by tater (Post 1988427)
That's not an aerial photo, it's a (very famous) diorama by Norman Bel Geddes.
Huh. Well that explains why the sea surface looks a little funny.

Sailor Steve 01-06-13 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Nbjackso (Post 1881947)
Steam torpedoes on an airplane does not sound very realistic :)
Actually the Japanese didn't have anything else.
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTJAP_WWII.htm

Nor did the Americans, except for FIDO.
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTUS_WWII.htm

Or the Germans
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTUS_WWII.htm

So it seems that what you think "sounds" realistic and what actually is realistic are two different things entirely.


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