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Gerald 12-07-11 05:22 AM
Britons 'less willing to pay for taxes to help others'
 
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Britons are less willing than ever to pay higher taxes to support the National Health Service, schools or the environment, a new survey suggests.The National Centre for Social Research's 28th annual British Social Attitudes report also found increasing numbers blaming poverty on "laziness".The BBC's Home Editor Mark Easton said it was a move towards "more emphasis on individual responsibility".He said Britons were becoming increasingly "judgmental".Mr Easton told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "The proportion who think we should pay (more) taxes to improve health and education and social benefits is only 30% in England, 40% in Scotland. A decade ago it was 60% in both nations."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16064988


Note: 7 December 2011 Last updated at 09:04 GMT

AVGWarhawk 12-07-11 11:50 AM
The quote you posted somehow mirrors the sentiment here in the US. Some political parties echo the same discourse.

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The survey suggested 54% believed social security benefits were too high and discouraged people from finding jobs, up from 35% in 1983 when the study was first carried out.
To some extent this is true. I knew a person who was getting more money staying unemployed than actually working a job. He remained in the system until his time was up. He then went and got a job in under a week. People learn to work the system.

MH 12-07-11 11:54 AM
I wonder why.

AVGWarhawk 12-07-11 11:56 AM
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Penny Young, chief executive of the National Centre for Social Research, said: "In a time of economic austerity and social unrest, the big question coming out of this year's report is whether we really are in it together, or just in it for ourselves?

"An emerging sense of self-reliance may take the government some way toward its vision of a more responsible society, but an emphasis on individualism, not Big Society collectivism, may present as much of a challenge as it does an opportunity."
Creation of a welfare state. It becomes status quo.

Herr-Berbunch 12-07-11 12:07 PM
There are people, many of them, that really do need the help, but then there are the few who really do know how to milk the system for every single penny - and these are obviously the ones highlighted by media so these are the ones in peoples forethoughts when asked about welfare assistance.

My wife (so not the mainstream media) knows of girls getting pregnant at age 15-16 to try and get a council house and benefits, what chance does a middle-aged guy have who's just divorced, made redundant and has house reposessed (and paid taxes all his life) against a fragile (ha!) female with a newborn baby who has contributed nothing but an extra drain on society?

These same girls also smoke with the specific aim of keeping the baby's weight down to reduce the pain during labour. :roll:

AVGWarhawk 12-07-11 12:11 PM
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There are people, many of them, that really do need the help, but then there are the few who really do know how to milk the system for every single penny - and these are obviously the ones highlighted by media so these are the ones in peoples forethoughts when asked about welfare assistance.
I agree there are those that need the assistance. It is the milkers that gets people upset and rightly so. The media should focus on them.

Case and point:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...161252749.html

MH 12-07-11 12:12 PM
May the issue have something to do with massive flood of foreigners as well but is avoided?
Lots of people living better life on welfare that they used to have in places of origin.

AVGWarhawk 12-07-11 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MH (Post 1801268)
May the issue have something to do with massive flood of foreigners as well but is avoided?
Lots of people living better life on welfare that they used to have in places of origin.

Might play a part in the entire picture.

Herr-Berbunch 12-07-11 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1801267)
That is one of the ugliest houses I've ever seen - a million bucks for that? :nope:

AVGWarhawk 12-07-11 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch (Post 1801301)
That is one of the ugliest houses I've ever seen - a million bucks for that? :nope:
It is on the water. That jacks up the price. It could be a shanty on a million dollar piece of property.

STEED 12-07-11 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendor (Post 1801098)
Typical BS, when things are going well no one gives a sod about the lazy sods being paid hundreds or thousands of pounds a week, I'm alright who cares I got the new this that and everything under the sun. Now we are in the brown stuff they kick off...bloody hypocrites who are thick as two short planks.

Can't they see this is what the government wants, as long as we rip the hell out of each other those stinking politicians who are nothing more than the glove puppets of the bleeding bankers who got us in this mess.

Gerald 12-07-11 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 1801451)
Typical BS, when things are going well no one gives a sod about the lazy sods being paid hundreds or thousands of pounds a week, I'm alright who cares I got the new this that and everything under the sun. Now we are in the brown stuff they kick off...bloody hypocrites who are thick as two short planks.

Can't they see this is what the government wants, as long as we rip the hell out of each other those stinking politicians who are nothing more than the glove puppets of the bleeding bankers who got us in this mess.
Steed, open your wallet for your fellow human beings, and your heart will be filled with heat from the environment, and you will be chosen to lead the English, to be generous and bountiful,:cool:

STEED 12-07-11 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendor (Post 1801462)
Steed, open your wallet for your fellow human beings, and your heart will be filled with heat from the environment, and you will be chosen to lead the English, to be generous and bountiful,:cool:
In my case Vendor, I am hard up...I only give to the poppy appeal in November.


Yes there are lazy scrounging sods claiming benefits but as I said, in the good times no one gives a hoot but now they are in the bad times yes it is wrong. There is no different's from good or bad times when it comes to these people who gladly live off benefits, its wrong in what they do.

And people like Jumpy and I get it in the neck every time and I'm sick of it.

Jimbuna 12-07-11 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch (Post 1801264)
There are people, many of them, that really do need the help, but then there are the few who really do know how to milk the system for every single penny - and these are obviously the ones highlighted by media so these are the ones in peoples forethoughts when asked about welfare assistance.

My wife (so not the mainstream media) knows of girls getting pregnant at age 15-16 to try and get a council house and benefits, what chance does a middle-aged guy have who's just divorced, made redundant and has house reposessed (and paid taxes all his life) against a fragile (ha!) female with a newborn baby who has contributed nothing but an extra drain on society?

These same girls also smoke with the specific aim of keeping the baby's weight down to reduce the pain during labour. :roll:
Agreed and the numbers are growing.

Gerald 12-07-11 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 1801481)
In my case Vendor, I am hard up...I only give to the poppy appeal in November.


Yes there are lazy scrounging sods claiming benefits but as I said, in the good times no one gives a hoot but now they are in the bad times yes it is wrong. There is no different's from good or bad times when it comes to these people who gladly live off benefits, its wrong in what they do.
I understand, I will be happy,to give, but first then after that I know it's going to right source,:yep:


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