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TLAM Strike 09-21-11 08:13 PM

Amsterdam court house shelled.
 
:o Yea 'shelled' like artillery!

Quote:

Dutch media report the damage may have been caused by a mortar shell.

The explosion left a small hole in the outer wall of the building’s third floor.

The explosion caused windows on seven floors of the building to break. Nobody was injured.
http://www.dutchamsterdam.nl/2014-mo...msterdam-court

Platapus 09-21-11 08:18 PM

Small portable mortars, either improvised or not, can make a pretty good terrorist weapon.

Talk about being able to shoot and scoot. :yep:

Torplexed 09-21-11 08:28 PM

Not a case of the mortar, the merrier for Amsterdam. :hmmm:

I've always been surprised that mortars aren't more common as a terrorist weapon. They're cheap and portable, and figuring out where the indirect fire is coming from can be tricky.

TLAM Strike 09-21-11 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Torplexed (Post 1753878)
I've always been surprised that mortars aren't more common as a terrorist weapon. They're cheap and portable, and figuring out where the indirect fire is coming from can be tricky.

You need to ask...

Schöneboom 09-21-11 09:05 PM

Mensch, talk about "Praise the Lord & pass the ammunition"! :o

mookiemookie 09-21-11 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1753872)
Small portable mortars, either improvised or not, can make a pretty good terrorist weapon.

Talk about being able to shoot and scoot. :yep:

I can't remember where I read this (might have been on here) but the fighters in Afghanistan have taken to setting up a mortar aimed at whatever, loading a chunk of ice into it and then putting the mortar shell on top of the ice, so when the ice melts and fires off the mortar, they're long gone when the counter-attack comes. Sneaky stuff.

Platapus 09-22-11 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1753890)
I can't remember where I read this (might have been on here) but the fighters in Afghanistan have taken to setting up a mortar aimed at whatever, loading a chunk of ice into it and then putting the mortar shell on top of the ice, so when the ice melts and fires off the mortar, they're long gone when the counter-attack comes. Sneaky stuff.

I have not heard that tactic and can see some problems with it. I would love to see some sources for that.

Penguin 09-22-11 06:13 AM

The question is: would the own weight of a mortar shell be sufficent to set off the charge? The falling speed of it would certainly equal nearly zero, as ice doesn't melt rapidly.

mookiemookie 09-22-11 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1753968)
I have not heard that tactic and can see some problems with it. I would love to see some sources for that.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_n13821792/

It's mentioned in there.

Also mentioned by some guys on this Aussie Army forum. Not the most reliable source, but it's being discussed there:

http://www.aussiearmy.com/viewtopic....=1518&start=75

Jimbuna 09-22-11 09:57 AM

One things for sure....mortars will be much easier to get hold of than ice....in Aghanistan that is :DL

MH 09-22-11 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Penguin (Post 1754009)
The question is: would the own weight of a mortar shell be sufficent to set off the charge? The falling speed of it would certainly equal nearly zero, as ice doesn't melt rapidly.

:up:

I don't think it would work with small caliber and static system.

Penguin 09-23-11 08:37 AM

The only way it could work, would be using the ice as a fuse, rather than filling it into the mortar. Something like a device that keeps the shell in the end of the tube and drops it when the ice melts. The most primitive way would be a nylon string attached to the shell with the other end of the string frozen in an ice cube, with a piece of metal or wood with a hole smaller than the cube which keeps the string strained.

Platapus 09-23-11 11:29 AM

Evidently the idea is to freeze the entire mortar round and somehow mount it above the tube. At some point the ice will melt allowing the mortar round to drop. In theory.

I think a kid on a bicycle would work equally well for shoot and scoot and then the kid can take the tube with him if it is light enough or simply come back the next day and pick it up.

Diopos 09-23-11 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1753879)

:D

I was certain that it would be THAT video!!!! :yep:

It also explains why they were praising Allah all the time !:DL

How would that go in the battalion? "We need some martyrs for the Heavy Weapons Company!"

:D

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TLAM Strike 09-23-11 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1754769)
Evidently the idea is to freeze the entire mortar round...

Ok who is the idiot who thought that up? :06:

Freezing explosives or propellant is a very bad idea! :o


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