5 Ridiculous Things You Probably Believe About Islam [CRACKED.COM]
 

http://www.cracked.com/article_18911...out-islam.html

Some good points there, don't know much about crusades or muhammed stuff, just thought someone might find it interesting.

(oh and those who don't get it, Cracked.com puts a humorous spin to things
but still most of the time cites sources)

DISCLAIMER 1: No, this is not aimed at anyone.
DISCLAIMER 2: As this thread will probably go into 1 vs. 1 THUNDERDOME, may I suggest we stick to the points in the article? Just
so people like me (and I hope I'm not the only one) can learn more about this
history?

Mkay?

Good. (otherwise I shall call in a moderator and ask this thread to be locked if it gets out of hand)

in before thunderdome!!!



two men enter one man leaves!!!! :rock::rock::rock:

dowly, man sorry but your late by like 5 months
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=178197

They start in reverse order, so I will.

#5: Of course. This also means that claims that they must be allowed to wear masks for "religious freedom" are also BS.

#4: Our founders? Has nothing to do with "things I believe about Islam" since it would be "things I believe about the founders." It has no place in the article, it's entirely off topic for their article. That said, the US was fighting Islam since the Washington administration---8212;the US was explicitly told that their capture of slaves by the "barbary pirates" (in fact privateers of the Ottomans) was required by the koran (as told to Jefferson by their ambassador). Life in dar al harb.

#3: Well, duh. That said, the koran is in arabic, and properly must be read in that language. There are only 200-something million arabic speakers/readers, and 1.something billion muslims. Most therefore don't even understand their faith (which is a good thing, actually). The biggest trouble we are having is that the Saudis (and others) are educating muslims abroad in arabic because they know that the koran/hadith makes people more fundy if they read and follow it.

#2: The muslim rules of warfare are so much BS. They have demonstrated in inter-muslim conflict that they violate all those rules, and everything is out the window vs apostates (shia vs sunni), or infidels. #2 is flat out apologist compared to historical reality. Not that I claim any other belief without proof is any better. Just saying.

#1 is wrong. Islam is in the dark ages. Actually, pre-dark ages, it's bronze age. Judeo-Christians are only out of the bronze age to the extent they ignore their own holy books. All three monotheisms are bronze age nonsense ("dark ages" for this article). 45% of American muslims believe in some sort of evolution? All major Islamic sects are literalist and "creationist." All. Any "muslim" who ignores this is an apostate. Which is great, but their punishment for apostasy is ideally death. Note that Deuteronomy for Jews and Christians similarly demands murdering people who say, try to convert your kids.

If your definition of muslim is one who claims to be, then this is a "no true scottsman" problem. If the definition is one who follows the precepts of the koran and hadith, then it isn't. The problem isn't that all muslims are maniacs, but that a large % of muslims don't have a problem with maniacs. Even 10% would be large, but the actual % in the muslim world is far higher. Using the US as a benchmark is funny, as US muslims are some of the least devout in the world ("radical" is a misleading term, the more devout are the more "radical"). Note that I entirely apply the same standards to other faiths. European people who self-identify as Christian, for example, ignore loads of inconvenient doctrine. In many cases they willfully kick themselves out of the club, frankly. That's great. I have no problem with it. It makes them better. Even most US Christians ignore all kinds of stuff that should kick them out of "the faithful." How many serious christian guys didn't get laid before marriage? LOL. The west is better because we ignore much of religion.

Note that the article brings up the invention of algebra. Big deal, what have they done recently? It's a non-argument to claim they mattered a thousand + years ago.

The cracked guys could debunk most of their own arguments by reading a few chapters of Sam Harris or something.

Well ----... :hmmm:

Nvm then.

@Tater, I would like to answer that, as I see you are wrong, but I'n a tad too drunk to be arsed to do all the researcch.

I am sure someone will come and corect you, tho. :hmmm:

We do have the muslims to thank for many of the advancements in nautical navigation that allowed Europeans to eventually dominate the seas.

i would imagine that the muslim faith - like many others - has been something that has become twisted and perverted over the course of one or two thousand years.

if you transplanted a muslim from 1150AD into the home of a muslim in 2011AD i doubt he would recognize the religion we see today.

I am still waiting for him to explain why he finds it perfectly acceptable for people to marry two year olds but a bloke called mohamed mustn't marry until his wife is fully an adult in modern terms.
though you can see he is spouting some of his usual falsehoods which he will still repeat no matter how many times he is shown that they are false.

Yep, in the same way that the reformation brought up some really kooky Christian sects the Muslim schisms in the 1800s brought up some really kooky Muslim sects, like the two big fundy nutty ones which cause most of the problems today for muslims and non muslims.

Is this,

http://www.cracked.com/article_18911...-islam_p1.html