This is repulsive [politics]
 

Republicans push to widen 'war on terror' detention



http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101116...liticscongress

Then all they have to do continue to insist the conflict isn't over with for the duration of the suspect(Or political enemy's) lifetime. :nope:

I wonder if Buck saw about his countries allies having to pay millions to suspected terrorists for dodgy the detention practices?

I am failing to see how this will secure the border or reign in government spending, which were the hallmarks of their election, and items that we have heard little on. Instead, we get a largely empty token in the continued and failed war on terror. Perhaps John 'The American Dream' Boehner will weepily elaborate on how this will be the greatest thing to happen since the Declaration of Independence.

Typical Neo-Cons up to their typical garbage. It is becoming clearer that, as I have been saying for some time, these guys have learned nothing.

Tak, you're forgetting - it's different™ this time.

It always is. :dead:

Lock 'em up until AQ unconditionally surrenders. That's what you do with POWs. They are held til the war is over, then repatriated.

I totally agree with locking them up, however either they are POWs or Criminals and if they choose to call them Criminals then they deserve to know the charges against them and have a right to trial.

If POWs then they can be held until the war is over, but i think the war on terrorism will be just like the war on drugs and used as an excuse to keep it going forever.

Will we ever be safe from terrorists? No, but does that mean we should have a war on terror ongoing forever? We need a clear goal to this conflict instead of the aimless "War On" crap that Washington uses to get around the rules.

I think we should declare the war vs a constellation of terrorist organizations (AQ and allies).

Criminal combatants (war criminals) can stand trial by military tribunal at any time, or after hostilities have ended (FDR bumped off nazi saboteurs, others were not tried til the wear was over).

War on terror will never stop ever. Al Qaeda didn't bring down only the twin trade center towers but American freedom with them as well.

It almost looked like that 9/11 benefited the agenda of some of these people who are now seeking detention without limit and without trial, a thing that would not be possible before 9/11.

Now who's going to play God and start accusing anybody they dislike as terrorist suspect?

Scary stuffs are developing in USA nowadays. I mean they are going to propose a martial law-like law to hold anybody against their will without proof without time limit and without trial? The Romans too did start with democracy but ended up with an emperor which in the early Christian time demanded to be regarded as God much to their detriment. This is disheartening even when it's just an idea.

The simpler solution to stop the whining would be to not take prisoners. I'm fine with that, too. It's not a war we started, so I don't really care how long a few hundred guys get locked up.

Note that for all the whining about holding these jackasses, no one seems to have a problem with using actionable intelligence to put a JDAM, Tomahawk, or Hellfire into their hose/car/cave. The same idiots like Holder who wanted civil trials for these guys, where most evidence will be thrown out (this has already happened in one case by judge Kaplan) seem to forget that when they attack these same people that they grab up, they KILL THEM with no due process at all (as it should be).

Killing with no due process? Just fine. Imprisoning them? What a horror!

I'm fine with a step that works hard to determine anyone falsely locked up, but it cannot go to civilian courts.

Unfortunately this is true. At least I think it is. I know this is waxing philosophical, but terrorism in general, is brought about from a belief or ideal of some whackjob or another. Your not going to kill an idea with bullets. Kill one terrorist, another will just take his place.

So long as we treat or react to these criminals like their a sovereign nation instead of the unique type of thugs that they are, we will always be in a perpetual state of war, forever. I can't help but wonder who profits from that. :hmmm:

Kill one idea that uses terrorism, another one would come up to take its place

Terrorism is a tactic.

AQ, and other Islamic literalists are the larger grouping we are at war with.

The trouble with the tactic is that virtually everything they do is against the rules of war. The rules exist to mitigate harm to noncombatants. By intentionally hiding among the innocent, they make our task very much more difficult. Since we want to break up threats with intelligence, we grab people up we should by all rights just be killing.

It's just not grandad's war.

Treating it as a criminal justice issue, OTOH, is a huge mistake. Killing 3000 is "professional" killing, and deserves a military response.

I would be for this BUT US citizens should be excluded