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Gerald 09-16-10 09:20 AM

Help wanted: Boeing says airlines need 1 million workers
 
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Boeing says the airline industry will need to hire more than one million workers over the next 20 years to prepare for a wave of 30,000 new aircraft.

The airlines will need to hire 466,650 pilots and 596,500 maintenance crew workers between 2010 and 2029, the aircraft maker said Thursday.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/16/news...n=money_latest





Note:By Aaron Smith, staff writer September 16, 2010: 7:43 AM ET

SteamWake 09-16-10 09:25 AM

Wait what??

I dont understand this. Why is Boeing suddenly flush with cash?

Or is it to make up for the shortfall because they pay these workers little and treat them like crap?

Oh I see "Over the next 20 years" hrm.. what would be the opposite of cautiously optimistic?

Zachstar 09-16-10 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1494738)
Wait what??

I dont understand this. Why is Boeing suddenly flush with cash?

Or is it to make up for the shortfall because they pay these workers little and treat them like crap?

Oh I see "Over the next 20 years" hrm.. what would be the opposite of cautiously optimistic?

A pro-labor post? From you?

Gerald 09-16-10 10:07 AM

There are certainly statements, if not practically so are the theoretical
 
It is relatively well known that the air industry must be renewed in future periods,and that you go out with this in a turbulent time of economic uncertainty, many benefits primarily market and of course Gov.och ultimately they potent workers who can then get a job,Boeing are a leader in many segments which naturally gives, shares the owner an extra boost.

CCIP 09-16-10 10:10 AM

This is all distant predictions. I personally hope they're true, but a lot of this hangs on the nearer prediction that the economy will recover soon. And that's kind of up in the air at the moment...

But if the wind blows south-south-west... certainly air travel needs to and will have to improve and expand soon!

Gerald 09-16-10 12:22 PM

It is certainly true, even if it takes time, so it is a positive decision
 
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Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 1494776)
This is all distant predictions. I personally hope they're true, but a lot of this hangs on the nearer prediction that the economy will recover soon. And that's kind of up in the air at the moment...

But if the wind blows south-south-west... certainly air travel needs to and will have to improve and expand soon!

But what is clear is that the course is South,for travelers

bradclark1 09-16-10 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1494738)
Wait what??

I dont understand this. Why is Boeing suddenly flush with cash?

Or is it to make up for the shortfall because they pay these workers little and treat them like crap?

It's paying for the bags and other tac-ons the airlines use. Airlines are starting to turn a profit which translates to more newer aircraft maybe. I know the fleet has aged.

GoldenRivet 09-16-10 01:49 PM

LOL :nope:

What the airline fat cats need are about one million indentured servants.

gimpy117 09-16-10 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet (Post 1494966)
LOL :nope:

What the airline fat cats need are about one million indentured servants.

yeah. and pay us all 15,000 starting

TarJak 09-16-10 05:51 PM

OK they have orders to build 30,000 planes over the next 20 years, but are there really going to be 1million new jobs created? No. These new aircarft will replace older existing aircraft and the older existing maintenance and flight crews will retrain on maintaining and flying the new ones and all up you might see a slight increase in the number of people employed in these jobs and yes new blood wil flow into the ranks but a million new. Pfffff what a crock.

CCIP 09-16-10 06:01 PM

You don't think fleets ought to be expanding?

I mean, I'm not privy to the labour side of the airline industry, but being on the customer side one would hope that they do find ways to grow and expand. I don't think 30,000 is an unreasonable figure. As far as I know, there's about half that number of aircraft in the world's airlines today. If the stables grow by that much, I don't think 1 million is an unexpected figure.

But like I said, distant projections there... the industry is far, far from being over the hill and the job side of it looks to be getting worse, not better for now.

GoldenRivet 09-16-10 08:43 PM

No "google assist" here.

Care to guess how many new pilots American Airlines has hired in the past 9 years?

TarJak 09-16-10 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet (Post 1495249)
No "google assist" here.

Care to guess how many new pilots American Airlines has hired in the past 9 years?

About as many as it had retrenched before 9/11?

GoldenRivet 09-16-10 11:26 PM

Zero "new" hires.

You're right - the only "hiring" they have done has been recalling furloughed workers. There are still enough on furlough to meet their staffing needs for perhaps another couple of years.

TarJak 09-16-10 11:41 PM

Airline management is ALL about capacity management. Fleets will expand to absorb the capacity of the market but no more than that. Unless there is a new untapped market, or there is sudden customer interest in a market for some reason, there is little need for airlines to add sudden increases to their capacity on most of the routes they fly.

If your fleet is getting on, (10-15 years is old in airliner fleet terms), then you need to start replacing those aircraft.

If you are not seeing growth in your markets/routes then why would you add capacity to them? On the other hand if you are seeing growth then you will only add capacity to match that growth and not a seat more. Flying partially empty aircraft is unprofitable as has been demonstrated in the US domestic market for years.

My prediction is that there will be very few "new" hires coming from the expected delivery of the 30,000 planes mentioned in the article. Most of the "new" aircraft will be replacing older aircraft that will either be sold on to replace aging freighters or end up in the Arizona desert parking lots waiting for either a buy or the junk man.

Oh and guess what? Newer aircraft require less maintenance than older ones so in the short term if an airline quickly replaces its aging fleet (say within 3-5 years) then they actually have an opportunity in that time to reduce maintenance staff, until that fleet ages to a point where more frequent maintenance is required.


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