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Happy Times 09-10-10 10:31 PM

Muslim Inbreeding: Impacts on intelligence, sanity, health and society
 
Massive inbreeding within the Muslim culture during the last 1.400 years may have done catastrophic damage to their gene pool. The consequences of intermarriage between first cousins often have serious impact on the offspring’s intelligence, sanity, health and on their surroundings

http://europenews.dk/en/node/34368


Good article, i hope it doesnt lead to anything being burned.:haha:

gimpy117 09-10-10 11:56 PM

sounds like racist stuff to me just saying

Blood_splat 09-11-10 12:41 AM

Well they still marry 6 year old girls in some parts of the Middle East.

Tribesman 09-11-10 01:35 AM

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sounds like racist stuff to me just saying
Just look at the site.
Its compiled by crazy idiots for consumption by crazy idiots.

Happy Times 09-11-10 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117 (Post 1490452)
sounds like racist stuff to me just saying

Yes, muahahahahahahaaa.

Its really only evil, evil, lies, lies!!

bookworm_020 09-11-10 02:54 AM

It has been found in other research that in certain cultures where there is a preference to marry a family relation, that there tends to be a higher rate of birth defects, mental and long term health health issues. This is not a religious based issue, but a cultural based one.

Some times it pays to look out side the family for certain things, like a wife.....

Skybird 09-11-10 03:07 AM

In germany a very popular and one of our most intelligent SPD-politician has just been crucified for publishing a book about the lacking integration of Muslim immigrants, their desastrous impact on the finances of the social wellfare system, and their unsufficient contribution to the German netto-income. In touring and defence for that book ("Deutschland schafft sich ab", Thilo Sarrazin), basing on official statistiscs of federal agencies to which he had access because until end of this September he was and is member of the board of directors of the German Federal Bank and before that was senator for finances in Berlin, he said on one event that vcertain tribes of people share certain similiar gene. He mentioned two examples, one wrong one that escaped his mouth in the heat of battle ("All Jews share a similiar gene", he made no offending comment against them, but the words nevertheless are wrong sionce Judaism is not ethnicity), and for which he excused a day later and said that it is not true that it indeed was the heat of action, the other example was I think some African people sharing some genes as well (wich is true if you look at for example skin colour or facial physiognomy), again he did not make any racist or valuing comment, he mentioned it in a diferent context and in defence of a thesis that intelligence is heritable to some degree. Sarrazoin also pointed out that due to the massive migration of social low class people lacking education and living in a climate of not suporting education and not integrating in germany, but producing much, much more babies than the better educated social middle and upper class and academic families, the mean intelligence of german society is declining. If you look at german school and employers in economy and industry not being able to find sufficiently educated young workers for their jobs because a big share of 16- and 18 year old are not able to read and write correctly and fluently and cannot calöculate even most elemental maths, with university professors complaining that their new students do not even bring in even the olst elemental basics of school education and that they must hold crash-courses in these before they start their regular courses, then you see that Sarrazin again has it right. Problem is that already just one kid in a class not understanding German sufficiently, already leads to a 25% decline of the alotted stint for the semester - for all kids. and in the big cities of Germany, there are more and more schools where German kids are the minority and Musliom kids are dominating. and where they do, you also see a lot of violence, discrimination against germans, etc etc etc. Problem also is that the politicians reacted by lowering the standards for schoolnotes, and designed a legisaltion that leaves teachers no room anymore to stray from the offiocial scheme of how to note how many errors in a classroom exam. Today you get the same note for less performance, or a better note for the same performance. And unacceptable ammounts of errors still earn you good notes. that way, the problem gets glossed over, and in education studies you hear about germany the results seem to say that Germany has climbed in the international ranking. Believe me, the oppoosite is true - I know or get told by several school teachers in three different federal states.

Back to Sarrazin - as was to be expected, he got burned, quartered, hanged, stabbed, poisened and crucified even before the book was published. It is the loudest uproar of the political class of the past years. He has been mobbed out of the federal bank, the president and the chancellor attacked him even before the book was read by them, his party, the socialists, want to throw him out.

In feedback of newspapers, 80-90% of German citizens support Sarrazin and want him to found his own party, together with the conservatives that completely have been mobbed and frustrated out of the CDU, which today is just another clone of the SPD, being destroyed by Merkel (former chief secretary of propaganda in the GDR's youth organisation FDJ (no post that you do not volunteer for, so she learned her basics from the professionals).

On intelligence, it is relatively undisputed that genes play an important factor. That does not mean the final IQ is heritable, but what genes decide on is a wikndow of possibility inside which intelligence can form up, or stagnate, in life, and inside that window of possibility envrionmental and cultural factor decide whether or not intelligence developes more, or less. We also know that lacking mental acivity, especially at higher age but also in younger adult years, can lead to degeneration of intellegence.

This was already consensus in sciences when I studied psychology in the early nineties.

Sarazzin gets suppoort by many prminent and knowing integration and islam experts in Germany who have a migration background themselves and who atrtack islamic subculture over the same reqasons like Sarrazin does, most known are Abdel Samad (Muslim Egyptian background), and Necla Kelec (Muslim turkish background). The latter recently got explained by a stupid Green party leader that her muslimhood is just a false Muslimhood and that Islam in reality is somethign very different, means: what the leftist eggheads want it to be. I laughed out loud. when listening to that hatefilled tirade. Necla kelec takes pride in defending Germqany'S freedom and soveriegnity, for which the left hates her very much, and she is entzhusiastic agbout the values and rich tradition of the german cultural heritage that she sees as so precious and poverwhelkming that she loved to integrate here and fight for German clture bin g the culture oifGermany - for which she is hated in Turkey and by Turkish col9nists in germany - and by almost all the poltiical class in germany, too. As a German in Germany, you are not allowed to defend german cultural identity. If you do, you are a racist and a suspected Nazi. Kelec also has a solid academic preodiler as an intimate expoert for islam. But an arrogant anti-intellectual Green harridan who confesses to wanting to destroy German national identity and national states, knows it all so much better about islam than a turkish Muslima who gained academic training on Islam and became critical of it since she knows by experience and by acadmeic knowledge what it does both in turkey and in germany!?

darius359au 09-11-10 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bookworm_020 (Post 1490512)

Some times it pays to look out side the family for certain things, like a wife.....

The Hapsburg's didn't think so ,they liked to keep it in the family and not mix with the common throng - of course the last of the Hapsburg's was a drooling idiot but at least the bloodline was pure;)

Skybird 09-11-10 03:31 AM

Gives a new meaning to the term "pure idiocy". :DL

Tribesman 09-11-10 04:06 AM

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It has been found in other research that in certain cultures where there is a preference to marry a family relation, that there tends to be a higher rate of birth defects, mental and long term health health issues. This is not a religious based issue, but a cultural based one.
Yes, but in that rag its dressed up as a religious issue.
Look throughout the site, its just the same muslims muslims muslims crap all through it.
The author of that article appears to write of nothing else.
It could have been written by Skybird as he has the same phobia.


Talking of Sky.......
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He mentioned two examples, one wrong one that escaped his mouth in the heat of battle ("All Jews share a similiar gene", he made no offending comment against them, but the words nevertheless are wrong sionce Judaism is not ethnicity),
More complete rubbish from him, and in this case excusing a slip of the tongue where someone rants and forgets to keep their underlying problem under the mask....rather like complaining that blacks ruin soccer when all you really want to say is that its the muslim muslims muslims:yeah:

MH 09-11-10 05:27 AM

This DNA thing is thin line to walk on.
While IQ is determined by DNA as modern science proves i dont think that certain peoples can be tagged as smarter.
While in western society certain attributes are more valued than others(high education etc)in theory looking from evolutionary point of view it could be true.
In practice i dont see any reason why lets say a Muslim kid which was brought lets say in germany by wetern tradition could be not as smart / well educated as any one else.

Arab culture is very diffrent from western.In general its based on very simple peaple who for most of the part hardly go throuh few years of education .Thats one of the reason why religon has such strong influnce.
Thats why bening more of a man/agresive may be valued to contrary education in modern west.
Kind of like chrystinity in middle ages.-witch burning jews burning and so on....
Going into this DNA stuff kind of gives me creeps.
I dont think its a way to fight radical islam.

Marrage within a family is usally practiced in small religus sects.
While in Arab world the rules may be more flexable its not practiced as much as you may think .
I think we should focus more on killing terrorists and jailing religus nutcases than this mabo jambo.

JU_88 09-11-10 06:25 AM

So its another attempt to dehumanise Muslims, much like the Nazi's dehumanised the Jews?
Yeah a 'brilliant artical' :88)
-If thats how your mind works.... :nope:

Skybird 09-11-10 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MH (Post 1490555)
This DNA thing is thin line to walk on.
While IQ is determined by DNA as modern science proves i dont think that certain peoples can be tagged as smarter.
While in western society certain attributes are more valued than others(high education etc)in theory looking from evolutionary point of view it could be true.
In practice i dont see any reason why lets say a Muslim kid which was brought lets say in germany by wetern tradition could be not as smart / well educated as any one else.

That is the point. "Muslim" is no racial or ethnic category, it is an ideologic one, and just by historic coincidence correspondts most often with the ethnic category of "Arab", for example - and just for the past 1400 years, obviously. The gene determine a range in whcih intelligence can unfold - if the conditions of the social and cultural environment and the education is such that the intelligence is fostered, than it will blossom. If conditions are the opposite, then it is different. In practice, I assume that the genetic range for most mentally sane people is overlapping for the most. But still, qualitative and quantitative differences in ranges (=possible intelligence being reached under good or worse conditions) still may be existent, even if in case of most people they do not become decisive since persons develope an "IQ" (idiotic index, but lets keep it simple) in a range that overlaps with the "window of opportunity" for most others. If people differ in a lower end of the range between let's say 70 and 80 and most people vary in an upper end of 120 and 130, then this means that most people share a common range between 80 and 120 in which cultural and sociological factors decide on their intelligence.

but this means that while a kid from a muslim family being raised in and by western standards of education and social interaction may become quite smart and educated (statistics show that this indeed is the case with migrants and also muslim migrants that indeed integrate in full into the Wetsern world), it also mans that if it is being raised by Chinese or Japanese and Korean standards of education and learning ideals may become even more educated and smarter (statistics show that in Europe Asiens from these countries tend to be amongst the best students), while the same kid being raised in an isolated islamic subculture in Germany, isloated from german cultural contexts more or less and educated by patrairchalic family ideals and quranic order may indeed stay more unedcuated and even intellectually more handicapped than kids not being raised in these conditions. It is an empirically proven fact that there is a strong statistic lin between social class and several diferent factor, amongst them: job chnaces, future social chnaces, ability to compete at school and in education.

You see, I never said that Muslim-born people are stupid by nature, by race, by genes, never. I said that the Muslim ideology educates people to stay stupid. That is something totally different. I am criticising the cultural and sociological consequence of Islam'S dogma and the way cultural climate it creates and that feeds back on the intellect and creativity of people. There is a reason why the Arab sphere in the early medieval, before muhammad, was so much superior in scientific and medical knowledge, maths, commerce etc to Europe - but with Muhammad's impact started to stagnate and fall back, whiole the West shortened the gap, and finally overtook the Islamic sphere in intellectual competence, and then left it far behind in the dust. Genes have not much to do with that, but the cultural impact of islamic teaching and the educational consequences it has in the individual.

So I see indeed many devout muslims as being intellectually handicapped - the dogma has power over them, keeping their independent thinking in tight check. But I do not see it as an issue decisively detemrined by genes alone. To me it is a cultural and sociological issue. And that can be adresse donly if mininising the eliminating the influence of islam in their education.

That people sometimes label me as a racist only shows that they do not care for reading me carefully enough - if they read me at all. For some just criticising muslims already is enough to snap by reflex like a Pawlowian conditioned dog, no matter what the criticism says and is based on. For them, their own ideologically motivated view of things supercedes facts from reality, always. They do not deal with reality, but with their own hallucinations. Well, everyone to his own.

Skybird 09-11-10 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MH (Post 1490555)
This DNA thing is thin line to walk on.
While IQ is determined by DNA as modern science proves i dont think that certain peoples can be tagged as smarter.
While in western society certain attributes are more valued than others(high education etc)in theory looking from evolutionary point of view it could be true.
In practice i dont see any reason why lets say a Muslim kid which was brought lets say in germany by wetern tradition could be not as smart / well educated as any one else.

That is the point. "Muslim" is no rqacial or ethnic category, it is an ideologic one, and just by historic coincidence correspondts most often with the ethnic category of "Arab", for example - and just for the past 1400 years, obviously. The gene determine a range in whcih intelligence can unfold - if the conditions of the social and cultural environment and the education is such that the intelligence is fostered, than it will blossom. If conditions are the opposite, then it is different. In practice, I assume that the genetic range for most mentally sane people is overlapping for the most. But still, qualitative and quantitative differences in ranges (=possible intelligence being reached under good or worse conditions) still may be existent, even if in case of most people they do not become decisive since persons develope an "IQ" (idiotic index, but lets keep it simple) in a range that overlaps with the "window of opportunity" for most others. If people differ in a lower end of the range between let's say 70 and 80 and most people vary in an upper end of 120 and 130, then this means that most people share a common range between 80 and 120 in which cultural and sociological factors decide on their intelligence.

but this means that while a kid from a muslim family being raised in and by western standards of education and social interaction may become quite smart and educated (statistics show that this indeed is the case with migrants and also muslim migrants that indeed integrate in full into the Wetsern world), it also mans that if it is being raised by Chinese or Japanese and Korean standards of education and learning ideals may become even more educated and smarter (statistics show that in Europe Asiens from these countries tend to be amongst the best students), while the same kid being raised in an isolated islamic subculture in Germany, isloated from german cultural contexts more or less and educated by patrairchalic family ideals and quranic order may indeed stay more unedcuated and even intellectually more handicapped than kids not being raised in these conditions. It is an empirically proven fact that there is a strong statistic lin between social class and several diferent factor, amongst them: job chnaces, future social chnaces, ability to compete at school and in education.

You see, I never said that Muslim-born people are stupid by nature, never. I said that the Muslim ideology edcuates people to stay stupid. that is something totally different. I am criticisng the cultural and sociological consequence of Islam'S dogma and the way cultural climate it creates and that feeds back on the intellect and creativity of people. There is a reason why the Arab sphere in the early medieval, before muhammad, was so much superior in scientific and medical knowledge, maths, commerce etc to Europe - but with Muhammad's impact started to stagnate and fall back, whiole the West shortened the gap, and finally overtook the Islamic sphere in intellectual competence, and then left it far behind in the dust. Genes have not much to do with that, but the cultural impact of islamic teaching and the educational consequences it has in the individual.

Foxtrot 09-11-10 07:22 AM

Mohamed El-Fatatry, a very successful Muslim entrepreneur from your own backyard is a prime living example to deny your article.


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