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Paul Riley 07-05-10 08:33 AM

Does removing the deck gun actually improve performance,or is it a myth?
 
One thing that has always had me thinking,and still does,is the stories I have read about removing the deck gun.I know they removed them for real in an attempt to reduce drag and speed up dive times but is this modelled in the game? I dont know if some of you remove them just to maintain realism (even if the effects are not modelled) but I for one will be keeping my trusty ol deck gun.There is no finer moment than when pounding a lone merchant broadside to broadside on a dark night and have his light beam right on you! :rock:

Sorry if this topic may have been asked before,I simply cant remember and dont fancy sifting through what is likely to be 1000s of posts either.

:up:

Sailor Steve 07-05-10 08:38 AM

I've never played far enough to have that option. As far as I know there is no effect at all, just as there are no thermal layers.

Gerald 07-05-10 08:40 AM

Well!
 
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Originally Posted by Paul Riley (Post 1435846)
One thing that has always had me thinking,and still does,is the stories I have read about removing the deck gun.I know they removed them for real in an attempt to reduce drag and speed up dive times but is this modelled in the game? I dont know if some of you remove them just to maintain realism (even if the effects are not modelled) but I for one will be keeping my trusty ol deck gun.There is no finer moment than when pounding a lone merchant broadside to broadside on a dark night and have his light beam right on you! :rock:

Sorry if this topic may have been asked before,I simply cant remember and dont fancy sifting through what is likely to be 1000s of posts either.

:up:

I keep it under the hole war.But when you dive you can save some second,when the boat hit the surface probably. :ping:

Paul Riley 07-05-10 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1435849)
I've never played far enough to have that option. As far as I know there is no effect at all, just as there are no thermal layers.

Shame there are no therman layers Steve,it could have added an interesting tactical potential to the game.

@Vendor,I will probably keep the gun myself,no fun in using torpedoes ALL the time,its always nice to put them German helmets on and give em hell with the gun!
By the way,I like the quote in your signature,I live my life with the very same concept in my mind every day.

http://www.itis-molinari.eu/studenti...gini/curie.jpg
A fine woman.

Sailor Steve 07-05-10 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Riley (Post 1435870)
Shame there are no therman layers Steve,it could have added an interesting tactical potential to the game.

I think Commander does a good job of simulating them due to its Random function, but again I've never played enough to notice.

Gerald 07-05-10 10:35 AM

Thank you!
 
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Originally Posted by Paul Riley (Post 1435870)
Shame there are no therman layers Steve,it could have added an interesting tactical potential to the game.

@Vendor,I will probably keep the gun myself,no fun in using torpedoes ALL the time,its always nice to put them German helmets on and give em hell with the gun!
By the way,I like the quote in your signature,I live my life with the very same concept in my mind every day.

http://www.itis-molinari.eu/studenti...gini/curie.jpg
A fine woman.

Yes,she got two nobelprise also, :up:

Paul Riley 07-05-10 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendor (Post 1435948)
Yes,she got two nobelprise also, :up:

:cool:

Jimbuna 07-05-10 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1435849)
I've never played far enough to have that option. As far as I know there is no effect at all, just as there are no thermal layers.

Removing the deck gun gives no improvements in performance.

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1435930)
I think Commander does a good job of simulating them due to its Random function, but again I've never played enough to notice.

The job Commander does is really quite spectacular at times...instead of going to extreme depth as of the norm I've occasionally evaded a hunter on the next patrol in 100 metres or less.

Gerald 07-08-10 06:45 PM

maybe not in the game..
 
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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1436207)
Removing the deck gun gives no improvements in performance.



The job Commander does is really quite spectacular at times...instead of going to extreme depth as of the norm I've occasionally evaded a hunter on the next patrol in 100 metres or less.

but in "RL" I say yes,

Paul Riley 07-09-10 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendor (Post 1439226)
but in "RL" I say yes,

In RL a lot of captains DID in fact opt to remove their deck guns especially as air attacks were becoming more frequent and more dangerous,giving them precious seconds to get the UBoat under as fast as possible.

Air attack = bad news,big time! :o

JScones 07-09-10 06:31 AM

Search the archives. There's been oodles of speculation, assumption and guessing, but not one person has ever quoted hard facts either way as to whether removing the deck had any effect on performance.

Accordingly, in the absence of cold, hard data, SH3Cmdr does not adjust performance. And I'm comfortable with this approach; the way I see it, any increase in performance achieved through removing the deck gun would be more than offset by the decrease in performance achieved through upgrading the Turm/Wintergarten...it works both ways, yet I never see anyone asking for a performance decrease when they load their Uboat with Flak Guns... :doh:;)

Gerald 07-09-10 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by JScones (Post 1439551)
Search the archives. There's been oodles of speculation, assumption and guessing, but not one person has ever quoted hard facts either way as to whether removing the deck had any effect on performance.

Accordingly, in the absence of cold, hard data, SH3Cmdr does not adjust performance. And I'm comfortable with this approach; the way I see it, any increase in performance achieved through removing the deck gun would be more than offset by the decrease in performance achieved through upgrading the Turm/Wintergarten...it works both ways, yet I never see anyone asking for a performance decrease when they load their Uboat with Flak Guns... :doh:;)

You now we "move slow here" so that's the way the test is different in many way,:yep:

Thank you for relevant info.


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