Valhalla Rising (what was that all about) Movie review!
 

I loved this movie (waits for this movie sucked replies) went straight to dvd here yet its a gem, and had me pondering on ''what the hell was that all about'' Its not for everyone its slow and there is a lot of staring takes - its like the director said okay you all are going to stare at each other for 10 min in this take, I want you to stare at the sky you stare at him and you stare at the ground etc., and your be doing this for 10min each time kinda thing. It tried to go all mystic and did it well in some parts but at times the stare into the distance thing gets tiresome.

Suppose to be a viking movie but the men One-eye the supernatural viking teams up with are Scottish Christians who are bent on going to Jerusalem and claiming back the promise land well they end up somewhere else and this is where i get lost.

1: Did they end up where they ended up or was it a kind of Valhalla Hell. Some reviews say its hell others say its the new land others say its one-eyes version of hell??
2: Who is the main actor suppose to be a viking demon? some Mystic warrior who can't die?
3. What the hell was the ending all about!

I thoroughly enjoyed this movie and will watch it again, it has some brutal parts but all in its very mystic, with terrific scenery and plenty of staring lol

Whats this dude staring at?
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One-Eyed doesn't say one word through the entire movie. Mystic man!
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Haven't seen the movie, but I do know quite some things about Viking culture/history and thus may be able to help you out on some of your questions.

1 - The "Viking-hell", simply called "hel", is the place where all people who die of old age or disease go. It's not a bad place to go to, not at all, but it just doesn't have the luxury Valhalla has. Norse mythology doesn't have a hell like the Christians did.
2 - There are no "warriors that can't die" in Norse mythology. Even the gods are mortal (and most will die during Ragnarök actually). The fact that you call him one-eye does make me wonder if he could be Ódinn, as he's one-eyed himself (he stabbed his other eye to gain knowledge of past, present and future).

[Spoiler] The place they went to is the new land as there were Indians but its kind of fools you into thinking is it the new land or was it some type of hell he brought the Christians into? As he resented the Christians cause they curse him for what he was your see why in one brutal part of the movie. He doesn't kill these guys though they die one by one of their own fault.

You could be right, Hes Odin? The ending something happens to him but then it switches to him walking into the river - you dont know if he died or what.

thanks that helped

Well, judging from the description you give it isn't Hel (the Norse hell). At least not if they follow Norse mythology.
Judging from the pictures and the descriptions you give, it seems like a cold barren foggy landscape. It might be Niflheimr. Niflheimr is the world where Hel is located, so that would make sense.
Alternatively, it might be Jötunheimr. This is not as likely though, as Jötunheimr was the home of the giants (Jötunn) and you don't mention anything about giants.

Possibly. It seems like a good movie to me if it leaves questions like these open. I generally like it that way.

I think you hit the nail on the head, during one part they spend days in the boat lost and nothing but fog they dont know where they are then they end up out of the fog and there's new land in the distance.

Yeah its a good movie just a little confusing but great scenery, some brutal parts as he was captured by other (vikings or christian warriors? as they keep telling him hes a curse to mankind) and they used him like a gladiator - fights for a living but he doesn't make a cent out of it. He escapes after a brutal killing of the leader then meets up with the Scottish Christians and thats when it gets confusing.

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Could possibly be Vinland (North america) as mentioned in the greenland saga. I won't go on and on about it as I'm too drunk. But the first expedition was lead by Thorfinn Karlsfeni (I think that's how you spell it) but failed, a second expedition was organised about 5 or 6 years later by Thorfinn's brother Thorvald. I'll stop myself now :O:

Hel was the resting place for those who died peacefully, and not a place of punishment. It has been reported to contain a section for certain people, though.
That sounds a bit more like the Christian Hell to me.

I'll not turn this into a religious debate and ruin the thread, but most of christianity can find its roots in the old beliefs of many different cultures.

And I shall definately have to check this film out :D

you too?:rotfl2:
Guess drunk metalheads and Norse mythology/history go perfectly well together:D
That's what I said ;) If you die peacefully you die of old age or disease, as the only other cause for death is violence.

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Depends. Are you drinking mead? Bonus points if it's being drunk out of a horn.

You know the Christian bible(including new testament and what Paul taught) teaches (no it's not interpretation subjective) that the dead descend to the world of the dead or what the Jews called Sheol or what Jesus sometimes called the kingdom of death.

It's a resting place for the dead and not a place for punishment. Hell or heaven are only bound after the coming judgment and resurrection on Christ second coming and the end of days.

Sadly, ill knowledge of teaching lead to the abuse of translation that made no differentiation between the world of the dead and hell. Contemporary bibles make no such differentiation.

But ANY scholar of the bible would admit that the bible teaches that the dead are not risen immediately and must spend some time away resting in the world of the dead hence the inscription of the words Rest in peace on tombstones.

The condition which happens to the dead in the world of the dead is as follows:

The dead no longer aware of themselves, no longer remember God and not able to register the passage of time. The closest man's concept that could describe it best is sleeping though it's not exactly sleeping as it's perpetual death instead.

So, Norse mythology: The dead go immediately to Hel, the final location, for eternity*.

Christian mythology: The dead go to temporary storage, and then go to their final resting place, Hell (or Heaven), for eternity.

Ok, that's fine.

Corpse-strand (place of eternal punishment for evil souls) still sounds more like the Christian Hell (place of eternal punishment for evil souls) than the Norse Hel (place of eternal rest for souls that aren't so bad, but not worthy of going to the halls of the gods).

Christian souls just have one more stop on the bus route to the afterlife.

*Eternity, or until called up as draftees for Ragnarok.

Well some characters in the bible held the view that because of the end of days is still a long time coming they used the word eternity for their descend into death. :D

You see judgment and resurrection are the things only prophets speak of and know about.

Thanks for the information. I found it fascinating to be informed of different cultures holding a relatively the same idea of death(that death brings no punishment nor reward at least not immediately though that's irrelevant to the dead because they're unable to register time). There's a traditional tribe here that holds the exact(fascinatingly similar) same belief on the dead as the Jews with their sheol. :03:

I'm saddened that the mainstream Christianity has lost the original teaching on death and resurrection and now subscribe to a GREEK version of afterlife. There's a giant gulf between being mortal and immortal.

Sounds interesting.. I'm going to have to see it. Thankya. :salute:

Which is not for eternity. A hell of a long time (no pun intended:O:), surely, but not eternally. After Ragnarök, I guess they're just dead. The accounts don't say much about it.

You could say that in Norse mythology, you'll stay in the afterlife for a long time, and after that probably are just "gone" for eternity, while in the Christian afterlife, if I understand Castout correctly, you'll stay in a afterlife for a long time, and after that you'll stay in another afterlife for eternity.

nope:oops: