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Sandman_28054 03-19-10 01:21 PM

Dials v1.5?
 
I was DCed and evenually dove to a depth of 600'.

My Depth dial only goes to 450 or so.

Is there a mod or DL for better dials for SH4 v1.5, TMO 1.9?

Admiral8Q 03-19-10 06:19 PM

I think that would add to the realism. You shouldn't go much bellow 450' even in a Balao class. If I recall corectly, I believe about 500' was the deepest recorded depth. I'm suprised you survived at 600', wow!

NorthBeach 03-19-10 08:48 PM

Source: FACT SHEET & BACKGROUNDER
USS PAMPANITO WORLD WAR II SUBMARINE

"On its first patrol, the Pampanito dived to below 600 feet while under attack from Japanese warships. Its depth capacity may have saved the boat from being destroyed."

:salute:

Admiral8Q 03-19-10 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NorthBeach (Post 1324694)
Source: FACT SHEET & BACKGROUNDER
USS PAMPANITO WORLD WAR II SUBMARINE

"On its first patrol, the Pampanito dived to below 600 feet while under attack from Japanese warships. Its depth capacity may have saved the boat from being destroyed."

:salute:

I'm afraid that is incorrect NorthBeach, in the report it says:
Quote:

Received a string of 5 depth charges varying in depth from 150 to 600 feet, all very close....
It doesn't say they dived to that depth. ;)

Check here: http://www.maritime.org/patrol1.htm

razark 03-20-10 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Admiral8Q (Post 1324522)
I think that would add to the realism. You shouldn't go much bellow 450' even in a Balao class. If I recall corectly, I believe about 500' was the deepest recorded depth. I'm suprised you survived at 600', wow!

Balao class seems to be able to go quite deep.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Chopper_%28SS-342%29

Quote:

Despite the backing bell, blowing ballast, and other efforts to regain control of the submarine, the down angle continued to increase, and within one minute of the power failure, Chopper was nearly vertical in the water, bow down. Chopper's bow is estimated to have reached a depth of 1,011 ft (308 m), her stern reaching 720 ft (220 m).
...
Chopper returned to port under her own power. Inspection discovered that her hull had suffered extensive structural damage during the deep dive and rapid ascent. Chopper was decommissioned on 15 September 1969.
She may have been damaged, but she brought her crew home.

http://www.usschopper.com/Chopper%20...e%20Report.htm

Admiral8Q 03-20-10 12:38 AM

Razark, I'm not saying that a Balao could not reach that depth.

I don't trust wikipedia, sorry! Anyone can say anything in there.

As for the other "The Deep Dive of the USS CHOPPER (SS 342)", that was in 1969 not 1942-45, ;)

razark 03-20-10 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Admiral8Q (Post 1324856)
Razark, I'm not saying that a Balao could not reach that depth.

I don't trust wikipedia, sorry! Anyone can say anything in there.

As for the other "The Deep Dive of the USS CHOPPER (SS 342)", that was in 1969 not 1942-45, ;)

Eh, Wikipedia was just a quick link to describe the same event. I just came across it before I found the other one.

From the USS Chopper site:
Quote:

The submarine reached a maximum depth of approximately 1011 feet in the bow section, approximately 720 feet in the after section with an angle greater than 75 degrees down.
Same depth information as Wikipedia. (Unless the vast Wikipedia disinformation conspiracy has started to spread? ;))

As for it being in 1969, that's true. The boat was still a WWII fleet boat built in '44. So, 700-1000 feet from a 25 year old boat. What could she have done when only a year old, before things started showing their age?

Edit:
Note, I'm not saying anyone would take these boats down to that depth on purpose, during WWII, or later. I'm just saying that they could survive a lot deeper than the test depth listed for them.

I get a bit tired of the whole "German boats are better than American boats" thing based off of how deep they could go. (Not that anyone's brought it up, but if this thread goes on a little bit longer, someone will)

Ridgeback 03-20-10 12:57 AM

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I think that would add to the realism. You shouldn't go much bellow 450' even in a Balao class. If I recall corectly, I believe about 500' was the deepest recorded depth. I'm suprised you survived at 600', wow!
In "Clear The Bridge", Richard O'Kane tells how he took the USS Tang (Balao class) down to 612 feet on her shakedown cruise. He stated "Tang had depth capabilities no American submarine had known before."

A little earlier when talking about the pressure hull, O'Kane said, "As I hoped, it could probably take twice the pressure of the stipulated 438 feet".

And this was December 1943.

Admiral8Q 03-20-10 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by razark (Post 1324859)
Eh, Wikipedia was just a quick link to describe the same event. I just came across it before I found the other one.

From the USS Chopper site:
Same depth information as Wikipedia. (Unless the vast Wikipedia disinformation conspiracy has started to spread? ;))

Wikipedia has had some weird results on my searches. There is no conspiracy, heh heh! :DL Just that anyone can put anything on it. So therefore I find it unreliable as such.

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As for it being in 1969, that's true. The boat was still a WWII fleet boat built in '44. So, 700-1000 feet from a 25 year old boat. What could she have done when only a year old, before things started showing their age?
Well you must realize that after capturing the technology from the Germans, our tech hit a boom. Anyways, I would bet that a pure made Balao could dive to 500' maybe 600' if you increased the internal pressure.

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Edit:
Note, I'm not saying anyone would take these boats down to that depth on purpose, during WWII, or later. I'm just saying that they could survive a lot deeper than the test depth listed for them.
I hear you. I'd test my submarines depth before any battle myself.

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I get a bit tired of the whole "German boats are better than American boats" thing based off of how deep they could go.
I hope I haven't said that. I like the Gato class myself. Deep is not important, it's how you maneuver. I do find it more challenging playing as a U-boat actually. If I had to go back in time, I'd even take an S-18 class at the beginning of the war!

Admiral8Q 03-20-10 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ridgeback (Post 1324863)
In "Clear The Bridge", Richard O'Kane tells how he took the USS Tang (Balao class) down to 612 feet on her shakedown cruise. He stated "Tang had depth capabilities no American submarine had known before."

A little earlier when talking about the pressure hull, O'Kane said, "As I hoped, it could probably take twice the pressure of the stipulated 438 feet".

And this was December 1943.

Give me a reference and I may believe you.

Ridgeback 03-20-10 02:30 AM

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Give me a reference and I may believe you.
I really don't care whether you believe me or not.

I've given you the source book and I've quoted directly from it. It might be in your local library or there are plenty for sale on AbeBooks where I got my copy. Maybe you can tell me what page/s the quotes are on after you've read it...

Admiral8Q 03-20-10 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Ridgeback (Post 1324902)
I really don't care whether you believe me or not.

I've given you the source book and I've quoted directly from it. It might be in your local library or there are plenty for sale on AbeBooks where I got my copy. Maybe you can tell me what page/s the quotes are on after you've read it...

Right, I have no worries in a debate. I suppose I owe you a beer though.

Ridgeback 03-20-10 03:31 AM

No problems. Hell yes to the beer but either you have to come to Australia or me to Canada :DL

If you do get the chance, read O'Kane's book - it is a terrific story and well written. He also wrote one about the Wahoo on which he served as XO. IMO, I don't think "Wahoo" is as good a read as "Clear the Bridge" but is still worth the time. The other stand out to read is "Thunder Below" by Eugene Fluckey who captained the USS Barb late war.

Admiral8Q 03-20-10 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ridgeback (Post 1324924)
No problems. Hell yes to the beer but either you have to come to Australia or me to Canada :DL

Well maybe some day then lad, who knows! I've settled in the strangest part of Canada, but made my mind up to settle instead of wander.:salute:

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If you do get the chance, read O'Kane's book - it is a terrific story and well written. He also wrote one about the Wahoo on which he served as XO. IMO, I don't think "Wahoo" is as good a read as "Clear the Bridge" but is still worth the time. The other stand out to read is "Thunder Below" by Eugene Fluckey who captained the USS Barb late war.
I'll look that up next time I'm in the library.:yep: I need to get back into the reading.

Sandman_28054 03-21-10 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Admiral8Q (Post 1324522)
I think that would add to the realism. You shouldn't go much bellow 450' even in a Balao class. If I recall corectly, I believe about 500' was the deepest recorded depth. I'm suprised you survived at 600', wow!

I never said I survived. :03:


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