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THE_MASK 02-19-10 02:12 AM

Was this common practise .
 
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Ragtag 02-19-10 02:13 AM

Yes, in calm weather they often used the persiscope to get higher up for better view.

Letum 02-19-10 02:16 AM

I have heard about it before.

Common? I don't know, but I would be surprised if it was standard practice. Certainly not when air strikes where a danger.

Every meter higher you stand gives you an extra few km viewing range, so it would be very useful.

GoldenRivet 02-19-10 02:23 AM

extend the periscope fully.

wait about 10 minutes



ALARM!!!!! :o

everyone leaves him hanging and dive to periscope depth leaving him right above the water.:har:

Highbury 02-19-10 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Letum (Post 1273037)
I have heard about it before.

Common? I don't know, but I would be surprised if it was standard practice. Certainly not when air strikes where a danger.

Every meter higher you stand gives you an extra few km viewing range, so it would be very useful.

Absolutely height gives you an advantage. That is why Crow's Nests were set set high up the masts in sailing ships, and why the Germans toyed with the Fa330 for U Boats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP6VnbeWXSY

I am sure climbing as high as you can was done often.

FIREWALL 02-19-10 02:39 AM

I'll bet he was their best swimmer too. :p2:

karamazovnew 02-19-10 04:27 AM

The actual formula for horizon distance during normal daytime is:

Max_Distance[miles]=2.08 * sqrt(Observer_Height[m])

This is based on the curvature of the earth AND the refractive index of air at sea level at a certain temperature and latitude.

By combining the vision fields of the observer and the target, the maximum distance at which the target mast can be seen is:

Max_Distance[miles] = 2.08 * (sqrt (Observer_Height [m]) + sqrt (Target_Height [m]))

Judging from the Type VII dimensions, the observer's eye must've been at around 5 meters:

Heigth = 9.60 m (31 ft 6 in)
Draft = 4.72 m
Railing Height = 1.4 m
Average man = 1.7 m

Eye Height = 9.6-4.72-1.4+1.7 = 5.18 m

Which gives us a 4.8 mile horizon distance (8800 meters).
Thus, a ship with a mast of 25 meters above water would be visible at 15.1 miles (28 kilometers!).

By climbing up on the periscope you gain 5 more meters on the observer height (let's say a total of 10 meters). So:

Which gives us a 6.6 mile horizon distance (12,225 meters).
And a ship with a mast of 25 meters above water would be visible at 17 miles (31.5 kilometers!).

Of course, the real situations were very different. To actually SEE something, let alone identify it properly, it would need to be much closer. What's important is that beyond 8 kilometers you wouldn't be able to see the waterline of ANY ship. Weather conditions, funnel smoke, lighting conditions, all have a major effect.

Letum 02-19-10 04:39 AM

You also have to bear in mind that the human eye is only good for one
arc minuet in ideal conditions. that means you will struggle to see
anything smaller than 3cm at a range of 100m.

At 10km you will struggle to see a 3m white object against a black
background. That's not good if you want to see a grey mast against
a hazy blue background from a moving boat, even if it is not obscured
against the curvature of the earth.

Blood_splat 02-19-10 05:17 AM

"Was this common practise."
Only for Bernard.

FIREWALL 02-19-10 05:27 AM

I thought it was smoke they looked for.

Alot of those old rust bucket freighters in a convoy smoked like a forest fire.

Steeltrap 02-19-10 09:09 AM

Dick O'Kane describes in some detail the Crow's Nest they installed on Tang in Clear the Bridge. Wasn't common, but he certainly had one.

Platapus 02-19-10 09:57 AM

I wonder if the periscope was raised to its fullest height when used like that.

Any type of rocking of the submarine will put tremendous stresses on the periscope tubes.

Heretic 02-19-10 10:09 AM

Certainly less common as the air threat increased. It would lengthen considerably your dive time. I believe they experimented with man-carrying kites in the First World War and even tried some tethered gyrocopter-type contraption in the Second.

onelifecrisis 02-19-10 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sober (Post 1273034)

What the... where is that guy's head!? :o

Platapus 02-19-10 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis (Post 1273436)
What the... where is that guy's head!? :o

Under his hat? :D


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