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SteamWake 11-30-09 05:16 PM

Way to go, Huckabee
 
Way to put a pshychotic murderer back on the streets.

Now 4 law enforcment officers lay dead because of a good will gesture.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seattle Times
Maurice Clemmons, the 37-year-old Tacoma man being sought for questioning in the killing this morning of four Lakewood police officers, has a long criminal record punctuated by violence, erratic behavior and concerns about his mental health.

Nine years ago, then-Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee granted clemency to Clemmons, commuting his lengthy prison sentence over the protests of prosecutors.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...nsought29.html

Platapus 11-30-09 06:23 PM

First of all it was not Huckabee's mistake.

All Huckabee did was commute the sentence. It was the parole board who messed up the parole violation case in 2001.

If ya gotta gripe, blame the right people.

Quote:

But Clemmons remained on parole — and soon after landed in trouble again. In March 2001, he was accused of violating his parole by committing aggravated robbery and theft, according to a story in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette.

He was returned to prison on a parole violation. But in what appears to have been a mistake, Clemmons was not actually served with the arrest warrants until leaving prison three years later. As a result, Clemmons' attorney argued that the charges should be dismissed because too much time had passed. Prosecutors dropped the charges.

If the parole board had done their job right, he would have been back in the slammer.


While it could be argued that Huckabee should not have commuted the original set of sentences, that decision was overshadowed by the incompetence of the parole board/prosecutors.

CaptainHaplo 11-30-09 08:35 PM

I am not a huckabee fan. I find some of his positions irreconsileable with his stated beliefs.

However, the guy commuted a 95 year sentence for a person who had, at the age of 17, committed the crimes he was in prison for. He saw a person who had served some time, was a kid when they committed the original offenses, and on the recommendation of various staff, commutted the sentence at that time.

While he is not totally blameless here, the fact is, the ONLY person responsible for the heinous acts committed - is the person who committed them.

Otherwise, we would see criminals in court using the defense of "but the parole board let me out, so its their fault" I killed someone, or raped someone, or robbed that store, or whatever.

As a society we do bear some responsibility for the lack of true rehabilitation in our prison system. There is some level of responsibility when a person who shouldn't be out, is freed in error.

But if that person abuses that freedom and commits additional crimes, regardless of their type, they and only they are responsible for those choices and actions.

Snestorm 11-30-09 08:39 PM

This has turned into quite an international news item.

It made the news in Danmark.

How unfortunate it is that Justice has been replaced by The Law.

Torplexed 11-30-09 08:46 PM

These heinous slayings took place only a few miles from where I work. This guy Clemmons should never have been let back on the street. He's been charged with eight felony charges here in Washington State in the last five years including the pending charge of rape of a child. But they kept letting him out. This isn't about politics. A Republican governor in Arkansas. Democrats here in our pretty much one-party state. This is about an unfathomable breakdown of the system that has allowed an erratic, dangerous criminal to walk free. Stories like this illustrate how broken our system is.

What I find even more unfathomable is that he's apparently been getting help staying ahead of the police. I just can't believe there are people dumb enough to risk a stiff prison sentence to help this thug.

Carotio 11-30-09 08:56 PM

Some people are just too mentally sick to be let out walking free in the streets ever again.

We have seen a maniac like that here in Denmark too. While he lived in Florida with his family, he murdered his mum and buried her at the beach with help from his father no less. He served some years in prison and came back to Denmark. Some time later, he had murdered his girlfriend and her two minor sons here, and not only that: he even cut them up in pieces and throw their leftovers out somewhere, with help from his father once again... :o He wasn't too cooperative towards helping the police to find the pieces, so the civil military service was sent out to find them, and I hate him forever, because I was part of that work back in 2000.

Some people should just be put in the blackest hole in a prison, and the key should be thrown away. They're scum of the Earth... :nope:

Kptlt. Neuerburg 11-30-09 09:21 PM

Huckabee you f'ed up on this big time!! Giving a pardon to a man senteced to jail for the rest of his life cause you thought it was wrong for someone of his age to be locked away for the rest of his life becuase of a crime that he commited!!!:nope: And now your pointing the finger at everyone else but yourself, kiss your political career goodbye!

Subnuts 11-30-09 09:48 PM

Nice going, Hucky. Mike Dukakis did the same thing and his career never recovered. :shifty:

Torvald Von Mansee 11-30-09 11:30 PM

Huckabee is a strange guy to me. He has political/social positions I abhor, but he seems so damn nice!!!!

SteamWake 12-01-09 01:52 PM

Well the perpetrator has been permantly dealt with.

Better late than never I suppose... yea tell that to the deceased's family.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091201/..._officers_shot

AVGWarhawk 12-01-09 02:05 PM

Quote:

If the parole board had done their job right, he would have been back in the slammer.
Sometimes the board is pushed to do things because of overcrowding. The Broomstick Killer is a classic example of this.

Kptlt. Neuerburg 12-01-09 07:09 PM

Clemmons is dead, killed by a police officer at 2:45 AM Pacfic Time in South Seattle. One person was Clemmons getaway driver and three other persons are being held on charges of assiting Clemmons to hide from police and one povided medical aid by way of gauze and duck tape.

UnderseaLcpl 12-01-09 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee (Post 1211569)
Huckabee is a strange guy to me. He has political/social positions I abhor, but he seems so damn nice!!!!

Wolf in sheep's clothing. The merit of a person and their beliefs cannot be judged by their words or mannerisms, no matter how well-presented.

Snestorm 12-01-09 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kptlt. Hellmut Neuerburg (Post 1212062)
Clemmons is dead, killed by a police officer at 2:45 AM Pacfic Time in South Seattle. One person was Clemmons getaway driver and three other persons are being held on charges of assiting Clemmons to hide from police and one povided medical aid by way of gauze and duck tape.

It's a shame that all those innocent people had to pay with their lives in order for this scumbag to reach "his" (IT'S) fitting end.

SteamWake 12-02-09 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kptlt. Hellmut Neuerburg (Post 1212062)
Clemmons is dead, killed by a police officer at 2:45 AM Pacfic Time in South Seattle. One person was Clemmons getaway driver and three other persons are being held on charges of assiting Clemmons to hide from police and one povided medical aid by way of gauze and duck tape.

Duck tape :haha:

Sorry that still cracks me up.

Yes he is dead I provided a link a few posts up.


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