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urfisch 11-07-09 01:32 PM

Kriegsmarine GRID MAP - An original one?
 
..that went on service? Take a look on scans a friend of mine send me. He bought the original in an old book store in holland (his mother works in a library and digitalized the A2 size map for me on a machine, that is for digitalization of old charts and maps for storing!). She was astonished to see such a rare document.

Now i am not sure, if this could be true. In other words: I cant believe it! There are several markings on the map! Look at the front side...there are relics of pencil markings. and on the back there is an (water caused?) imprint of a pencil drawn movement chart!!!

Could this be true? Would be great stuff! If you think it is worth it, i will let his mother make a high resolution scan (costs some more money!) and reprint this map in original size for sale. What dou you think?

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/752/kartevorne.th.jpg http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/902...ehinten.th.jpg

Oneshot/Onekill 11-07-09 03:48 PM

Looks really ledgable. If it is authentic, I'm very impressed with how well preserved it is.

Definitely worth investigating to find out!:up:

java`s revenge 11-07-09 04:18 PM

Bought at a store in Holland, can`t believe it.
I do see that the first one has the german language.

Btw can`t open the second image.

urfisch 11-07-09 05:15 PM

Corrected the link...and got the info, that the stamp says "Kriegsmarinearsenal Toulon". Checked this already, there was such an arsenal. And the map is dated 1941. I will order some more detailled screens from it. I wanna see the pencil drawing on the back!

;)

Got an update:

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/1...hinten2.th.jpg http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/4...hinten3.th.jpg

Dont know, what to think of it. Anyone seen such a drawing, like the one on the back? Would be very grateful for any news on that!

Tweaked the image in Photoshop, by increasing the contrast and selecting colors. Awesome! Its a real drawing..or the rest of it. The legend(?) reads from upper left to bottom right "Flugzeug" (airplane), "Tauchfahrt" (dived), "Pei...?", "?", "...koppelte Gegner...?" (enemy ...), "Fühlung?" (contact).

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3...hinten4.th.jpg

Oneshot/Onekill 11-09-09 09:23 AM

Sounds to me like an action report from a war patrol was written on the back of the navigational chart. I'm guessing the Kaluen, or first officer hurridley wrote it there, so they wouldn't forget. Then transferred it to their war diary sometime later.

Of course this is all speculation. But thats what I can discern from it.:up:

You should take it to an expert in WWII antiquities just to be sure!

Dutchie-one 11-09-09 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by java`s revenge (Post 1200511)
Bought at a store in Holland, can`t believe it.
I do see that the first one has the german language.

Btw can`t open the second image.

WWW.Nautiek sells old Navy books in Dutch, German and British - American Navy ans Merchant marine

take a look and see

Groet, Dutchie-one :up:

FIREWALL 11-09-09 11:07 AM

@ urfisch Your friend has a lucky and possible valuable, to the right person, find. Very Kool. :up:

Hitman 11-09-09 04:01 PM

Quote:

"Pei...?", "?", "...koppelte Gegner...?"
-->Peilung (Bearing)

-->Koppelte Gegner (Plotted enemy. Koppeln is plotting, Mitkoppeln is plottinga s to own course and speed, i.e. setting paralell course and speed to determine the enemy's one. It was the preferred method in WW1 and WW2 U-Boats)

:salute:

Reece 11-09-09 06:55 PM

Quote:

Urfisch said:
make a high resolution scan (costs some more money!) and reprint this map in original size for sale. What dou you think?
You will probably have to use photoshop to fix the tear at the top , put it up on eBay if you decide to print it and let me know, I will buy a copy!:up:


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