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Ford Prefect 08-04-09 09:25 PM

Do Alberich or Tarnmatte have any effect in game?
 
Any ideas or proof? Any settings in the game that show what effect it has if any? Uboataces.com says there's no conclusive proof as to either's effectiveness, just claims. It got me to wondering whether it made any difference in game.

TarJak 08-04-09 09:26 PM

They have about as much effect as they did in RL.

BulSoldier 08-05-09 02:21 AM

So they doesnt worth it ?

meduza 08-05-09 04:51 AM

IIRC, they decrease a chance of detection by 10%. It doesn't seam much, but every bit of help comes in handy late in the war. :yep:

BulSoldier 08-05-09 04:52 AM

I guess but it seems so low chance.What amazed me is that albericht was installed on only 1 operational boat...

Captain Birdseye 08-05-09 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BulSoldier (Post 1145157)
I guess but it seems so low chance.What amazed me is that albericht was installed on only 1 operational boat...

I'm no expert on Alberich, but I imagine it would have been costly to apply, and U-Boats are big! I imagine it would cost more than paint or whatever.

However, saying that, most Tiger tanks were fitted out with Zimmerit so I could be wrong.

Jimbuna 08-05-09 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by meduza (Post 1145156)
IIRC, they decrease a chance of detection by 10%. It doesn't seam much, but every bit of help comes in handy late in the war. :yep:

You remember correctly http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...ies/pirate.gif

mookiemookie 08-05-09 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BulSoldier (Post 1145157)
I guess but it seems so low chance.What amazed me is that albericht was installed on only 1 operational boat...

They found that, while the idea worked to some extent, the adhesive would fail and flaps of the rubber material would come loose and flap in the current while the boat was underway submerged. The resulting sound made the boat easier to detect by hydrophone, thus cancelling out any benefit of reduced sonar signature.

Ford Prefect 08-06-09 12:59 PM

Interesting, thankfully the downsides aren't modeled in the game. Any ideas where the settings for either are?

konvoijäger 47 08-09-09 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ford Prefect (Post 1145038)
Any ideas or proof? Any settings in the game that show what effect it has if any? Uboataces.com says there's no conclusive proof as to either's effectiveness, just claims. It got me to wondering whether it made any difference in game.

Hello Kaleun;
This documentation is the evidence the stealth mat was very good.
It was unfortunately very late and only 7 boats could so be equipped.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkZFXNbkz2w

Beste Grüße
Thomas

Mittelwaechter 08-09-09 06:50 AM

In the last minutes of part 5 they say 11 U-Boote have been equipped with Alberich and none of them has been sunk by ASDIC operations.

Hanzberger 08-09-09 07:50 PM

Is there an English version of this youtube video?

Ford Prefect 08-09-09 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hanzberger (Post 1148095)
Is there an English version of this youtube video?

I've left a comment on the first video on behalf of us here who don't understand german (or not well enough) asking if there are any english subtitles available at all.

The german that I know is very basic, limited to the odd phrase and of course, swear words. I can guess a fair bit due to similarities to norwegian but i'm better with the written language than the spoken.

PavelKirilovich 08-09-09 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Birdseye
However, saying that, most Tiger tanks were fitted out with Zimmerit so I could be wrong.

Zimmerit paste is much less costly than anechoic tiles and is being applied to a smaller vehicle under much easier conditions - one doesn't have to drydock a PzKpfw VI to apply Zimmerit, for example.

Sandman_28054 08-09-09 10:19 PM

Let me just say that in July 1944, I'm crusing in my brand new XXI.

I have Alberich and Tarnmatte.

Diving to 70 meters to avoid the P-38's, B-24's, PBY's, and the odd bombers, and the occasional DD that is unfortunate to cross my path, I'm glad to have it.


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