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BasilY 05-15-09 03:18 PM
Need help analyze an odd saved game
 
This is a very odd situation. I am using GWX3.0 100%. It's 1941, I have a convoy in front of me, I am on the surface just before visual contact. The sea is rough. Once I sneak into the convoy, I can see at lease three whale factory ships, at lease three ships are on fire for no apparent reason. I have three torpedoes. Sink 1 ship and try to sneak out.

Then it crash.

I reload again I discover the game will crash rather I attack or not. I just can't seem get out of this situation. I have the saved game, Can some one diagnose the situation?

Jaman 05-15-09 03:36 PM
Something like that happened to me yesterday. After sinking a ship i went surface and saved, the ship was still on surface burning heavly. Everytime i loaded that game i had a CTD after a few seconds no matter what.

I had to reload a previous saved game.

It seems with GWX corrupted savegames comes more often, what i do now is save more often and never overwrite an old saved game.

Jimbuna 05-15-09 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaman (Post 1101927)

It seems with GWX corrupted savegames comes more often, what i do now is save more often and never overwrite an old saved game.
That's news to me and a great many others I suspect :hmmm:

Game save corruptions have plagued SH3 since it's release, the vast majority of which are down to user error such as saving whilst submerged or in close proximity of rendered vessels etc. etc. etc.

Jaman 05-15-09 04:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1101938)
That's news to me and a great many others I suspect :hmmm:

Game save corruptions have plagued SH3 since it's release, the vast majority of which are down to user error such as saving whilst submerged or in close proximity of rendered vessels etc. etc. etc.
Well, i had 2 corrupted savegames before GWX. And then since i had 7. Not that i care, stock SH3 pales facing GWX and corrupted savegames are a small price to pay. And with so many savegames i hardly lose too much if one or two becomes corrupted.

EDIT - BTW, could you (or anyone) give me a list of potential corrupting situations (besides tampering with mods while at sea)?.

Jimbuna 05-15-09 04:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaman (Post 1101941)
Well, i had 2 corrupted savegames before GWX. And then since i had 7. Not that i care, stock SH3 pales facing GWX and corrupted savegames are a small price to pay. And with so many savegames i hardly lose too much if one or two becomes corrupted.

EDIT - BTW, could you (or anyone) give me a list of potential corrupting situations (besides tampering with mods while at sea)?.
As already mentioned above plus the 'biggie' you've just made reference to (covers at least another dozen within it).

Have you ever come across the phenomena of saves that disappear?

Jaman 05-15-09 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1101946)
As already mentioned above plus the 'biggie' you've just made reference to (covers at least another dozen within it).

Have you ever come across the phenomena of saves that disappear?
Well, not that i have noticed, but since at the end of any patrol i find myself with around 20-25 savegames it would be hard to notice.

BulSoldier 05-15-09 05:10 PM
I actually overrite constantly one savegame.I follow few simple rules for saving.

1.Dont save if there is a convoy nearby (less than 50km)(the same applies to anykind of ship being sunk ok still floating)

2.Dont save submerged

3.Dont apply or remove any mods while on patrol

Thats it pretty much and i have never experienced (as far as i recall) save game corruption.

Jimbuna 05-15-09 05:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaman (Post 1101950)
Well, not that i have noticed, but since at the end of any patrol i find myself with around 20-25 savegames it would be hard to notice.
There is no harm as far as I'm aware by overwriting the same save repeatedly in the same patrol.

Two tips:

1) NEVER delete the 'Player' save that comes as a default with the install....there are many suspicions that add weight to the theory that doing so can invite save problems.

2) If you ever find that upon loading the game a save appears to be missing....go to C/MyDocs/SH3. You will see the name of the 'invisible' save. Add an 'x' at the end of the save name and upon reloading the game your save will reappear....you can delete the 'x' after recovering the save.

BasilY 05-15-09 05:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaman (Post 1101927)
Something like that happened to me yesterday. After sinking a ship i went surface and saved, the ship was still on surface burning heavly. Everytime i loaded that game i had a CTD after a few seconds no matter what.

I had to reload a previous saved game.

It seems with GWX corrupted savegames comes more often, what i do now is save more often and never overwrite an old saved game.
Actually, GWX3.0 has been good so far. I had three careers without a bad save. (although it's now my practice to try to finish entire patrols without saving/loading) This is the first saved game I had a problem in GWX3.0.

With respect, The situation I am describing is NOT the same situation you have. The game I had did NOT crash WHILE loading (I had that happened in GWX2.1). It crashed after loading successfully and playing for a few minutes. I actually finally AVOID THE CRASH, by running on the surface at flank AWAY from the convoy (over-cast sky, visibility is low). I was able to play on. So I believe this saved game is a great opportunity to finally find out what's causing the crashes. Loading this game and trying to approach the convoy will guarantee a crash.

I am always curious about what exactly cause the crashes. So this saved seem Ideal. I hope someone can finally get to the root of it.

To Jimbuna, The myth that saving while submerged and/or near vessels are not correct. I had perfectly good saved games where I am at p-depth around DDs. But I had bad saves where I am on the surface and with nothing around. Being submerged and/or near other vessel doesn't seem to increase the chances of corrupt saved games.

BasilY 05-15-09 05:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BulSoldier (Post 1101969)
I actually overrite constantly one savegame.I follow few simple rules for saving.

1.Dont save if there is a convoy nearby (less than 50km)(the same applies to anykind of ship being sunk ok still floating)

2.Dont save submerged
What you just quoted is a myth. I had perfectly good saved games where I am at p-depth around multiple DDs. But I had bad saves where I am on the surface and with nothing (not even seagulls) around. Being submerged and/or near other vessel doesn't increase the chances of corrupt saved games.

And I am not talking about a corrupt saved game here. The game load successfully. (And a crash can be avoided). It only crashes will I try to approach the convoy heading right at me (10k away).

Jaman 05-15-09 05:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1101973)
1) NEVER delete the 'Player' save that comes as a default with the install....there are many suspicions that add weight to the theory that doing so can invite save problems.
I did delete that profile. Would it help if i just create another Player profile?.

BasilY, my game didnt crashed on loading, it loaded the game fully and after a few seconds (20 to a full minute in which i could play normaly) it crashed no matter what.

Jail 05-15-09 05:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BasilY (Post 1101977)
Actually, GWX3.0 has been good so far. I had three careers without a bad save. (although it's now my practice to try to finish entire patrols without saving/loading) This is the first saved game I had a problem in GWX3.0.

With respect, The situation I am describing is NOT the same situation you have. The game I had did NOT crash WHILE loading (I had that happened in GWX2.1). It crashed after loading successfully and playing for a few minutes. I actually finally AVOID THE CRASH, by running on the surface at flank AWAY from the convoy (over-cast sky, visibility is low). I was able to play on. So I believe this saved game is a great opportunity to finally find out what's causing the crashes. Loading this game and trying to approach the convoy will guarantee a crash.

I am always curious about what exactly cause the crashes. So this saved seem Ideal. I hope someone can finally get to the root of it.

To Jimbuna, The myth that saving while submerged and/or near vessels are not correct. I had perfectly good saved games where I am at p-depth around DDs. But I had bad saves where I am on the surface and with nothing around. Being submerged and/or near other vessel doesn't seem to increase the chances of corrupt saved games.
Could it be that the computer gets too much to render/keeping track of in that convoy that makes it crash ?

Jimbuna 05-16-09 04:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaman (Post 1101997)
I did delete that profile. Would it help if i just create another Player profile?.

BasilY, my game didnt crashed on loading, it loaded the game fully and after a few seconds (20 to a full minute in which i could play normaly) it crashed no matter what.
Best practice would be to create another 'Player' profile. http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...s/thumbsup.gif

Jimbuna 05-16-09 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Jail (Post 1102000)
Could it be that the computer gets too much to render/keeping track of in that convoy that makes it crash ?
That is a high probability http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...s/thumbsup.gif

Jimbuna 05-16-09 04:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BasilY (Post 1101977)

To Jimbuna, The myth that saving while submerged and/or near vessels are not correct. I had perfectly good saved games where I am at p-depth around DDs. But I had bad saves where I am on the surface and with nothing around. Being submerged and/or near other vessel doesn't seem to increase the chances of corrupt saved games.
I've no doubt what you have personally experienced is accurate and correct but I wouldn't dismiss other peoples theories as a 'myth'.

Search the forums for the multitude of posts regarding problems with saves.....in particular look for 'the dive of death'.


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