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SteamWake 04-24-09 01:59 PM

Someone please explain to me...
 
What exactly is this supposed to accomplish?

Call me skeptical but anything involving the ACLU should have close scrutiny.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...adminis-3.html

Schroeder 04-24-09 02:09 PM

To make sure it doesn't happen again?:shifty:

Platapus 04-24-09 02:11 PM

Because the ACLU followed the law and submitted a FOIA request?

SteamWake 04-24-09 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder (Post 1090064)
To make sure it doesn't happen again?:shifty:

I thought that was the reason for the interigations in the first place.

Platapus 04-24-09 02:23 PM

The last administration may not have been everyone's favourite but it was always good for a laugh

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The Bush administration argued that releasing these photographs would violate US obligations towards detainees...
So it was OK to torture them, but we need to follow our obligations toward them. How about our obligations not to torture them?

The United Nations Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, Ratified 21 Oct 94

Article 2 Paragraph 2
"No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political in stability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture."

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The Bush administration had also argued that releasing the photographs would violated the Geneva Conventions, which protect prisoners of war and detained civilians “against insults and public curiosity."
Excuse me, Mr. President. But the Geneva Conventions also protect these people from TORTURE! So Torture is OK, but suddenly we are concerned with protecting them from insults and public curiosity?

Make up your mind Mr. President. Is they or aint they covered by the Geneva Conventions

You can't just pick and choose what to follow based on what is more convenient.

hy·poc·ri·sy: The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.

I would seriously be laughing, if it were not so pathetic. :nope:

AVGWarhawk 04-24-09 02:23 PM

Does the ACLU have any jurisdiction in this matter?

Platapus 04-24-09 02:24 PM

The ACLU has the right to submit a FOIA, just like any of us.

AVGWarhawk 04-24-09 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1090076)
The ACLU has the right to submit a FOIA, just like any of us.

Does it mean then it will be granted?

Platapus 04-24-09 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1090081)
Does it mean then it will be granted?

That is up to the evaluation. There has to be a reason to refuse a FOIA. Just because someone may not like the ACLU is not sufficient reason.

The government takes the FOIA pretty seriously and we should all be thankful they do.

SteamWake 04-24-09 02:34 PM

I dont know if FOIA covers classified documents.

Of course the president can un-classify anything he wants.

AVGWarhawk 04-24-09 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1090087)
That is up to the evaluation. There has to be a reason to refuse a FOIA. Just because someone may not like the ACLU is not sufficient reason.

The government takes the FOIA pretty seriously and we should all be thankful they do.

Interesting, first I have heard of this. Thx Platapus!

Platapus 04-24-09 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1090093)
Interesting, first I have heard of this. Thx Platapus!


Here to help :)

http://www.usdoj.gov/oip/foia_update...II_4/page2.htm

Be aware that each federal agency has its own FOIA procedures.

And no FOIA does not pertain to classified information. There is a separate procedure to request the declassification of classified information.

AVGWarhawk 04-24-09 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1090100)
Here to help :)

http://www.usdoj.gov/oip/foia_update...II_4/page2.htm

Be aware that each federal agency has its own FOIA procedures.

And no FOIA does not pertain to classified information. There is a separate procedure to request the declassification of classified information.

Ah, yes, Freedom of Info Act. I do not see the ACLU getting anything under this act.

SteamWake 04-24-09 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1090111)
Ah, yes, Freedom of Info Act. I do not see the ACLU getting anything under this act.

I do.

AVGWarhawk 04-24-09 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1090117)
I do.

Problem is this, yesterday it was found that Pelosi and co are thick as thieves and were briefed on this in 2002. Of course she denies this. I'm thinking some more wrong buttons will be pushed and this will be brushed under the carpet. All of it.


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