No no we cant have this !
 

Mothers children court ordered into public schools after 4 years of home schooling. The problem? The teaching has a religious slant to it.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4727161/

Home Skoolin based on the bible , yeah tell yur kids that the sun revolves around the earth, but don't be surprised if the schools say your science is crap and doesn't really count as science and as such doesn't meet the curriculum standards for home schooling

I went to a private school for many years. I also think home schooling is a good idea in certain situations.

HOWEVER! Everyone is jumping to conclusions here. This is an issue being closely followed by responsible media, as well as folks like wral - and the facts are honestly unknown.

What we do know is the judge did say the children need to go to public school. We DO NOT KNOW WHY! All we have is the say so of the woman who just lost on this issue. The mother just lost this battle - so of course she is going to spin it any way she can. The reporter helps because he/she see a story that can be made sensational and controversial.

Having been through a VERY messy divorce and 5 years of visitation and custody battles, I know how easy it would be to get the public filing and pull some quote out of it to make it support this story. I can also see where the judge would order public school based purely on what little I know of this.

In the state of North Carolina, judges almost always award joint custody, unless there is a blasted good reason not to. Thus each parent has equal say in things like how their child is educated, For this to be an issue it looks as if the mother has primary care of the children. So how is the father going to have equal say if she home schools the kids? He wouldn't. He would have zero input that would be considered - because the mom in her home will do whatever she wants, just like he will in his home. So - there is no way to accomplish the desired goal, which is having both parents involved in the education of their children. Unless the children go to public school. If they do, then both parents suddenly have equal access to the teacher and records.

Being familiar with how the courts work here - I strongly suspect this has nothing at all to do with religion, and everything about involving both parents in this important part of their children's lives.

I could be entirely wrong - but before we go off the deep end, lets wait and see what the judge actually says in his writen ruling. While its easy to get stirred up by the "story" - it is very possible that is all it is - a story - sensationalized and spun by a reporter looking for a headline - and a disgruntled mother who didnt get her way.

And Tribesman - once again you show your ..... blissfulness. Nowhere in the Bible does it teach that the sun revolves around the earth. But of course - you ignoring fact (or making up fake ones) shouldn't suprise anyone...

Good points, Hap. I wonder, too, if the mother will not be able to stay at home now that they are divorced. It would be extremely difficult to home school the children while working a full time job.

But, as you say, we should wait until we know the "rest of the story" before we jump off the deep end.

Well I do know a bit about the way they do Child Support here. It is horribly unfair. I got custody of my son nearly 2 years ago, and his mother has been "in school" for the last 5 - online only. During the 3 years she had custody, and when I recieved custody - she continued to claim her schooling made it impossible for her to work. Since I worked, and she didn't, the CS was calculated for me to have full "responsibility" share wise regarding the moneys needed to keep him sheltered, fed etc. Thus my CS was initially computed to be around 50% of my income. Needless to say that was... exorbitant in the extreme. It finally was set at the highest % allowed by law.

Now that I have custody, because I have remained employed and stable, while she has continued to pursue her "education", her total child support due is the state minimum - $50 a month. To date, I haven't recieved a dime. The amount was also set due to the fact she has other minor children that she is responsible for.

So she sits at home, collects welfare and food stamps from the state for herself and her other kids, sends her now husband out to work when he can find it (at least he tries and is willing), and whines about how life is unfair. 5 years later she is supposed to finally get her 2 year degree, but of course she plans on "continuing her education" instead of actually going out and becoming productive. Not to mention she gets to apply for all kinds of federal and state "grants" for her "education".

***Yes I know - I really made horrible choices when I was much younger....***

Because this woman has 3 children, and if she did not work during the marriage, if the guy has a decent job its very likely his CS amount will be rather high. She can claim no skills, and thus have her responsibility totally negated. She may have to get a job, depending on that amount. It is one of the true inequities of the system in place here, how they figure the numbers.

Really ?
If that were true then the church would have severe trouble finding scripture to back up the geocentrist view then.
So in famous heresy cases concerning heliocentric views was the passages of scripture the church used from the bible or some other book?
If someone was found to be guilty of saying things that were contrary to Holy Scripture would that Holy Scripture be the bible or some other book ?

You really make it too easy to rip apart your posts Haplo .

You are right. We do not the details about it. The Judaic culture never used the scriptures to replace conventional education. You are right again the bible does not teach the sun revolves around the earth. This notion and many other erroneous ones arose in the dark ages along with a myriad of other superstitions and poor theological references. In Columbus' day people of science and sea faring men stil thought the earth was flat and that you could fall off the edge of it. Yet in Isaiah 40:22 and in Job 26:7 We see the earth as being a circle (Chugh) in hebrew which means "sphere". And Job states it is suspended by nothing. Pretty accurate I would say. If I were to have home schooled kids I would have to make clear distinctions between what is faith based and what is not. Kids obviously are not going to learn Algebra from the bible. But they certainly can learn about morals in society that are perfectly applicable.

However, not going deep into the intricacies of divorces, I just point out that it is a valid point that homescholling is only acceptable if it gives children the same level of practical competence regarding basic skills (math, reading, writing) and scientific education like the regular school curriculum. Where there is a risk of sectarianism and religious dogma putting the kids' future at risk by replacing the regular curriculum with ideologc fantasizing and sectarian brainwashing, it is unacceptable and the state as I understand him has the obligation the protect the children from their irresponsible parents, like the state also would move the children out of a family where sexual abuse is a risk or drug threatens their immediate basic wellbeing and threatens their chances for their life's future as well.

I am not against homeschooling in principal, but against the abuse of it. I also want the obligation that homeschooled children must face the same exams and qualifications (supervisied by state's authority) like children in ordinary schools. Only on this basis, any form of diplomas, notes etc make sense. Else problem in the future are preprogrammed.

Children are the weakest, the most vulnerable, the most dependant factor in the social formula. Their interest and future perspective must be understood to be the top priority in any cases of disputes, whether it be about homeschooling or divorce. Even ideologic drives of parents have to step back here. Children's wellbeing rules first (at least that's how it should be in court decisions - if it really is always like this, is something different).

Actually that's not true either. Eratosthenes of Cyrene calculated the diameter of the Earth in the second century B.C., and Claudius Ptolemaeus, or Ptolemy, had done further calculations not much after that. Columbus' chief opponent didn't believe the Earth was flat, but that it was much larger than Columbus himself claimed. It turned out that he was right and old Cristoforo Columbo was wrong.

The belief that they thought the Earth was flat is an invention of Washington Irving.

I have one question about home-schooling?

I can understand and appreciate the ability of a trained parent, using approved curricula, being able to teach their kid the "three R's".

However, I would like to know how about the child's social education when they are home schooled?

Even kids in private schools are exposed to other kids (some nice and some not so nice) and instructors (also some nice and some not so nice). They have to learn how do deal with interacting with different people.

To me, learning how to deal with different people (people who may not have the same beliefs as you) is important. Learning how to deal with a bully; how do deal with an overly shy teammate; the inherent unfairness of informal competitive sports. These are all very important life lessons.

How does a home-schooler teach those lessons?

I think it's a mistake to consider school as the only environment a person can learn those social lessons. I did far more socializing with the neighborhood kids in the woods and fields around my house and though after school social activities with the Boy Scouts, YMCA, Little League, etc, than i ever did sitting in a classroom quietly listening to a teachers lecture.

Wow another one .
So towards the end of the last century the Pope didn't apologise about the earlier insistance on geocentric views based on the bible then .
When he said the problem was the literal interpretation of Holy Scripture he meant Holy Scripture that isn't the bible:rotfl:

:yep: :up:

My 5th school class I spent in Lübeck at a "Gymnasium" (we have a highschool-system in germany having three different kinds of highschools: Haupt-, Real- and Gymnasialschule) that back then, late 70s, still was an exclusive boy-school. even that already felt different than the mixed Gymnasium I went to after we had moved to Berlin. And I was definitely happier at the latter. The latter school is the reaosn why I look back at my schooltime with a friendly heart and good memories.

It's simply was two very different things.

Aww poor tribesman - got your knickers in a wad because of me? How....... special. I would be flattered, but that would require I care.:har: You might ought to consider that to successfully attack something, the attack must have teeth...

So far your attempts to debate have been filled with illogical insinuations, baseless tripe, ignorance of fact and absurd attempts at "reasoning".

Lets take this arguement. Your first come up and say that teaching based on the bible means teaching that the sun revolves around the earth. An assumption that is factually incorrect. Of course - had you been intellectually honest and done a bit of research, you would have known that. However, getting your facts straight hasn't exactly proven to be a strong point for ya. When your challenged on it - you start talking about what some dead guy who got elected to wear a pointy white hat had to say. Instead of either rising to the challenge - or saying "hmm ok yea that may have been a bad example of the point I was trying to convey" - your thought process starts wandering away, trying to find some other source - in this case another imperfect human, to somehow corroborate your faulty and uneducated perspective.

You go right ahead and "tear up" my posts there tribesman. If people are fooled by your ludicriosity, thats their problem. I point these weaknesses of yours out not to belittle you, but in the hope that one day you might actually look at some of your "logic leaps" and realize that its not about what you THINK is fact, its about what IS fact. Once you can base your arguments off of those - I might just take you a bit more seriously.

In the meantime - you might wanna do something about that wedgie you seem to have. :rotfl:

So dumb its almost unbelievable .
Its so simple Haplo , was the scripture used to "prove" galileo wrong the bible or some other scripture ?
If the passages used to "prove" the earth is stationary and the other objects move were not taken from the bible where were they taken from ?

I notice you still havn't been able to produce the non-existant agreement between Israel and Hamas that you claimed existed . :rotfl: