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Oneshot/Onekill 03-09-09 10:13 PM

The allies could of ended the U-boat war much earlier.
 
http://www.uboat.net/technical/batteries.htm

It absolutely dumbfounds me that after reading this that the allies, both British and American bomber commands ignored this for 4 years!

I would love to hear your comments.:yeah:

rubenandthejets 03-09-09 10:24 PM

Hindsight is 20-20.

Bomber Command had their hands full and like the article says "after the war" realised the missed opportunity.

It took the Schweinfurt ball bearing factory raid in 1943 to make the Germans realise the bottlneck in their whole war machine was this single plant, responsible for 80%+ of their production. A couple of follow up raids there would have stopped EVERYTHING by the end of 43.

Here is another missed opportunity for Bomber Command and the 8th Air Force, one they knew about but thought they'd destroyed.

Oneshot/Onekill 03-09-09 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by rubenandthejets
Hindsight is 20-20.

Bomber Command had their hands full and like the article says "after the war" realised the missed opportunity.

It took the Schweinfurt ball bearing factory raid in 1943 to make the Germans realise the bottlneck in their whole war machine was this single plant, responsible for 80%+ of their production. A couple of follow up raids there would have stopped EVERYTHING by the end of 43.

Here is another missed opportunity for Bomber Command and the 8th Air Force, one they knew about but thought they'd destroyed.

Hind sight or not, you'd have to believe that between the 8th Airforce, British bomber command, and the 9th tactical Airforce that they could of scaped a few bombers together?:hmmm:

Torplexed 03-09-09 10:30 PM

The American and British bomber campaign against Germany really didn't start to hit it's stride until 1943-44 by which point the U-Boats were already in retreat. Some debate the effectiveness of the whole Allied aerial bombing campaign to this day, (German industrial production actually increased in 1944 despite it) although it did have the nice side effect of forcing the Luftwaffe to defend German factories instead of supporting the German army.

Oneshot/Onekill 03-09-09 10:47 PM

I wholeheartily agree, and i do understand that the bombing campaighn didnt get to full speed until the middle to late part of the war. But after the way Churchhill saw the U-boat, and the fact that the factory was within range of early war bombers, you'd of thought ole Winston would of let the dogs out.:haha:

The amazing thing is that they(the allies) didnt even know of the factories existance untill 43!

Torplexed 03-09-09 11:03 PM

The problem was early in the war there weren't enough bombers to make a difference. Due to the inaccuracy of strategic bombing it took vast fleets of bombers to do any appreciable damage to a target. It's estimated that only 10% of the bombs dropped by strategic bombers actually hit their intended target and that's depending on how liberally you define a hit. Indeed sometimes in post raid assessment the Germans could not decide which town (not the installation in the town) had been the intended target because the scattering of bomb craters was so wide. Sadly, there were no Allied laser guided missiles in WW2.

Ultimately strategic bombing become more about smashing the enemy will to resist and wholesale destruction than a pin-point effort to hit specific targets.

A Very Super Market 03-10-09 12:33 AM

Furthermore, you would need to escort the bombers there, and with the limited numbers, and little long-ranged fighters you would be throwing away your bombers for a target they might not even hurt.

bookworm_020 03-10-09 01:17 AM

It was the same story with many targets in germany. The lack of bombers, not knowing of bottlenecks in the german supply chain, and so on.

irish1958 03-10-09 09:08 AM

The bomber commands felt that the indiscriminate bombing of "targets" would "reduce the morale" of the enemy's general population, in spite of the response of the British civilian population to the Blitz. Curtis LeMay especially thought so in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary; and to this day, so did the American (at least civilian) command in Iraq.
The only thing that appears to work is nuclear bombing and complete destruction of whole cities in an instant.

Sailor Steve 03-10-09 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Oneshot/Onekill
Hind sight or not, you'd have to believe that between the 8th Airforce, British bomber command, and the 9th tactical Airforce that they could of scaped a few bombers together?:hmmm:

"Hindsight" means they didn't know about it until they occupied the plant after the war. They can't destroy what they don't know about.

Oh, and FYI: In your title, it should be "Could Have", not "Could Of".

irish1958 03-10-09 09:18 AM

SS
Are you sure you are not an English teacher?

Sailor Steve 03-10-09 09:21 AM

LOL no, but with 50+ years of reading behind me I grind my teeth when I read things I think should be obvious. Not that they are obvious to everyone, just that I think so.:oops:

mookiemookie 03-10-09 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by A Very Super Market
Furthermore, you would need to escort the bombers there, and with the limited numbers, and little long-ranged fighters you would be throwing away your bombers for a target they might not even hurt.

Not to mention that by using your fighters as escorts in a major bombing campaign, you'd be leaving the homeland relatively undefended in the face of the Battle of Britain.

Fincuan 03-10-09 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie
Not to mention that by using your fighters as escorts in a major bombing campaign, you'd be leaving the homeland relatively undefended in the face of the Battle of Britain.

Not to mention the main fighter types at the time of the Battle would have to turn back a little bit a after crossing the coast of mainland Europe

Dread Knot 03-10-09 10:10 AM

Not well known in the history of WW2 was the uncanny ability of concrete industrial facilities to take a licking and keep on ticking. Probably the best example was the Dzerzhinsky Tractor Works in Stalingrad which despite being bombed by the Luftwaffe, shelled by artillery and sniped at kept producing tanks that moved unpainted off the production line and straight into the battle for Stalingrad. It didn't stop producing tanks until the battle moved into the factory itself.


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