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porphy 03-08-09 11:23 AM

CHESS: Porphy vs ?
 
Hi

As quite a few showed interest for a game of chess, here is your chance. Without further ado I make the first move. We can do a second game with reversed colours later. First come, first served!

My move 1. e2-e4


cheers Porphy

Letum 03-08-09 11:27 AM

D7-D5

Don't suppose you know the old English annotations? (Q2-Q4).

Skybird 03-08-09 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum
Don't suppose you know the old English annotations? (Q2-Q4).

Oh, there he goes with that again...! :D

Good luck, Gentlemen.

Can you provide your own diagrams from time to time, or should I take care of it?

porphy 03-08-09 04:57 PM

Letum, thanks for joining the game. I really would prefer to not use the old notation. Otherwise it will most certainly mess things up somewhere along the line :yep:

I think we can do our own diagrams Skybird, but if we can't figure it out I will call for help!

2. e4xd5

porphy 03-08-09 05:17 PM

Testing...

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...r/Untitled.jpg

Letum 03-09-09 02:20 AM

G8F6

porphy 03-09-09 04:28 AM

my move: 3. Ng1 - Nf3

porphy 03-09-09 04:40 AM

So far, Scandinavian opening: 1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Nf6 3. Nf3

(White heading out into the unknown as fast as possible :) )

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...Untitled-1.jpg

Skybird 03-09-09 07:06 AM

Scandinavian Defence indeed. An opening that once was assumed almost dead because it seemed to violate some basic principles of opening theory (not to move the queen so early, for example), but as a matter of fact it can be found in the repertoire of grandmasters until today, and is a regular opening in tournaments on high niveau. Tactically it shares some structure with the French Defence and Caro-Kann, with the advantage that Black'S Queen bishop does not get locked so easily, as it is often the case in French systems. White usually has space advantage in the early phase and tries to fight for making benefit from that.

It's not an easy opening to play for Black, if White plays correctly. Also, White has modern answers to many of the once feared variations Black could choose. If correctly played, the opening gives neither black nor white significant advantages. But you can surprise your opponent psychologically with it - many White players do not expect to be confronted with it, and may not be prepared.

Letum 03-09-09 03:18 PM

Hehe
I swear I will never know or want to know the names of any opening move.
For me such analysis takes the fun out of the game.

F6xD5
(KB3-Q4)

porphy 03-09-09 04:14 PM

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Nf6 3. Nf3 Nxd5

My move: 4. c2-c4

Skybird 03-09-09 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum
Hehe
I swear I will never know or want to know the names of any opening move.
For me such analysis takes the fun out of the game...

And it takes the victory out of the game, too! ;) In chess, knowledge is power. You never can know too much about chess theory. the more you know, the more powerful you can wield your greater arsenal of weapons - that simple!

porphy 03-10-09 04:59 AM

I think some opening theory is mandatory for a chess player trying to get stronger. Of course you can learn by experience only, but that really is the same as opening theory without labels to order things and structure your thinking.

I agree that playing opening moves learned from a book mindlessly is no fun, but understanding the dynamics and strategies of a opening is really the point of opening theory, and that is fun to me. I have a encyclopaedia of chess openings, but it doesn't really spell out why some things are considered good or bad. As a consequence it is extremely dull and hard to actually use in a good way for a player at low level chess.

The best chess book I have is "Mastering the French" by Neil McDonald and Andrew Harley. (you can read some reviews on Amazon here ) It breaks down all the French opening lines by looking at the resulting pawn structure and organize the chapters according to this. It also graphicly shows all the important "power squares" and potential ways for the pieces to move, both for black and white. Then you have a few illustrating games with every chapter to play through. Works amazingly well, and as you say Letum, no need to learn a lot of names and lines, as the book shows you the most important things to consider for both players, depending on the pawn structure. :yep:

cheers Porphy

fatty 03-10-09 09:51 AM

I'm much like you Letum, I have no patience to sit and memorize the openings. What I like doing though, and a forum like this adapts itself well to it, is to look at databases as we go and say "Oh, look, I'm playing out Skybirds's Scandinavian gambit, porphy variant" and then judge it for strength and weaknesses.

Skybird 03-10-09 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by fatty
I'm much like you Letum, I have no patience to sit and memorize the openings. What I like doing though, and a forum like this adapts itself well to it, is to look at databases as we go and say "Oh, look, I'm playing out Skybirds's Scandinavian gambit, porphy variant" and then judge it for strength and weaknesses.

In fact that is why correspondence chess is so often recommended if you want (or need) to learn theory. It is a great way to work yourself into theoretical stuff - and deeply assimilate that which you are using in your running matches. You learn much more by it, imo, than if you visit a chess club, play there, and occasionally listen to tips or "courses" by other players. Correspondence chess masters and world champions of the past for that reason time and again showed to be hilariously competent theorists, and very, very strong players. The niveau of matches on master's level often is extremely high. And sometimes it surpasses the niveau of table tournament championships.

Also, there is so much diversity and possibility in the way a match can unfold that saying that learning theory would decrease the chance for surprise and predetermine the match and thus make it boring - simply is not aegument at all. That'S like saying that buying a map of oyur home town would make all the world beyond a boring place that from then on you already know.

you can play an opening, and copy an early match by that for ten moves, 15 moves - and then just one single move by the opponent all of a sudden turns it into a completely different thing, different to anything you have ever seen before. And this is the rule. I have never heared of any buddy and it happened enver to me that I copied an earlier match of mine, with a different player. chances for that are astronomically thin. You could have a psoition, and 24 pieces on the board, and all match a former psoition you know, all except that single pawn that before was on h4 and now is on h3 - and by that small difference it can be a completely different thing alltogether. and in most cases - it is indeed.

And finally, a lot of playing strength beyond a certain level - is pattern recognition. Chess masters think different when calculating a move than you and I are doing. This skill is both a result of theoretical knoweldge, and automatted routine, and without either theoretic knowledge or routine you will not form it. and without that - you simply will never move beyond a certain strength level.


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