Dealing with Destroyers
 

Now, I realize they're called Destroyers for a reason - but I just can't ever seem to shake these guys. What are some common strategies for remaining undetected? And once detected, how do I escape them?

Currently in my campaign I have a Destroyer right on top of me. I've gotten pretty good at avoiding his depth charges (as he's passing over me I turn hard 90 degrees and hit flank speed) - but no matter what I do he always knows where I am. I've tried remaining in flank as he passes over me and just outrunning him, hoping I'd spend enough time in his 'dead zone' so I could get away. I've tried submerging down to 350 feet and shutting off the engines. I've tried zig zagging at 1/3rd and silent running..... Nothing. He's on my like white on rice.

Any tips?

How about ejecting garbage out of the stern tube so when it surfaces it'll fool them into thinking you've been destroyed. I think this worked in a movie once.

Well, to remain undetected in generall, dont get too close. If you can spot a destroyer in daylight, it´s time to dive. Mind that you shouldn´t use more than 1/3 ahead/backwards when you have dived coz then they can hear you. Also go for "silent running" if possible. Note that when you are in silent running mode, neither damage controll team or torpedo crews can do their job. Basicly, avoid anything that makes noices, such as checking how far to the bottom (since this is done by sending a soundsignal and messuring time for it to come back).

If you have been detected, dive to a deeper depht, preferely beneth the thermolayer. Make sure to deploy a decoy on your way down for them to ping on. When you are deep down, make a 90 degree turn in some direction and just stay silent...


There is one time you can go "ahead flank" and that is when the destroyer is right on top of you or have just gone pass you... THOUGH, dont do it unless they are dropping deaphtcharges on you because they might hear you anyway. Only do it if neccessary to avoid those DC´s...


In Silent Hunter 3, you could launch a torpedo in any direction. When it had travelled as far as it could, it would explode. Sometimes, the destroyers went there to check it out. Though, havent tried it on SH4...


Good luck and happy hunting!


PS If the destroyers where escorts to a convoy, there is problably more then one destroyer. Keep an eye out for the others...

Funny....I always seem to tangle with the clueless destroyers. They'll race over, drop a few charges, play the searchlights about a bit, run some circles and eventually wander off.

That being said, I usually creep at about one knot with the silent running, hope for a thermocline and try to avoid operations in shallow water.

Deeper

Yes deeper, seek out the thermal layer, also quieter, dial up 2 knots.

When the DD makes its run which can be easily detected as he is close, headed straight at you running at flank... when he does jump into flank youself and change course... hard.. one way or the other. after a few minutes drop back to 2 knots, put the rudder amid ships change to silent running again and pray you can slowly slip away.

There are a few DD's out there that are good... really good. Espically later in the war. Sometimes you win sometimes you lose.

Sounds like you got Hell's Spawn running the surface. Dead stop does not work. Full ahead is not working either. Hit the silent running button. Go as deep as you can. If Hell's Spawn is after you, be prepared to take a peppering and take it for quite sometime. It is just the nature of the beast. After awhile, he will return to his charges. I usually just lay a path in the opposite direction his charges are going. I go get coffee and a smoke. I watch a TV show with one eye glued to the monitor. If he does not drop an ash can down your hatch, you should be able to get away. However, if he is Hell's Spawn, your chances of getting beat up 'real good' is very high. Good luck Capt. :up:

Uh
 

Download a supergun mod, surface, go down swinging (uh... shooting.)

Sometimes the best defense in a strong offense. I generally try to avoid them, but if I'm detected, depending on the circumstance, I'll take him on with a "down the throat shot". This takes some practice, but I'm successful about 85% of the time doing this.

1) Lock on to the DD with your scope.
2) Go to at least standard speed, faster if you need to turn more quickly.
3) Put him at zero degrees in front of you (head on)
4) Set from your compass (lower right hand screen dial) to make small rudder adjustments. Once you get him to zero degrees, you shouldn't need more than about five degrees of rudder to keep him in the crosshairs. DO NOT use full rudder or you will over correct.
5) Use the small adjustments to keep him at zero degrees.
6) Make sure you have your bow tube doors open and set up for a zero degree gyro angle shot (i.e. straight in front of you)
7) Set depth as shallow as possible.
8) When he gets about 800 yds from you, let it rip.
9) If he starts a zig-zag, you have two options.. (a) fire one tube just to the left of his bow and immediately follow with another to the right of his bow. One of these is bound to get him. (b) practice until you can anticipate the time of firing to hit him in the side with one fish. this is risky !

Often you will be able to hit him before he starts to zigzag. The best insurance and also the way I'd do it in real life, would be to fire two, as in real life, we don't get to load a save and get a do-over. It is kinda fun using this technique, but again it takes practice. Once you get it down, you don't fear them as badly. I usually feel I have a better chance taking them down, than to let them get on top of me and hope to evade them and it's much more rewarding. Give it shot ! :up:

Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what I'm doing. Perhaps I just got one of the 'good' ones. =(

And on my way down to 300 I did cross a thermalcline. Not sure it helped much though.

Ignore the red crush depth line on your depth meter--go to 350 - 500 feet. Keep turning to present smallest possible silouette, use silent running, turn off damage control party, vary depth up and down but stay deep. In a Balao I have gone to 600 feet.

Thermoclines reduce sonar effectiveness, its thicker water so due to some physics thing (I can't explain it but I can visualize it in my head) so it returns a slightly less accurate reading.

Basically just stay under the thermocline and dont run on anything past 2 knots. Should be able to slip away. At least you didn't tangle with 3 destroyers in Osaka bay, hoo boy that was a tough escape, 100 feet of water+DDs=Pure luck to avoid their DC runs and skill to get out to deeper waters to avoid them.

The biggest thing is to just be quiet. Only use high speed for evasive manuevers when you're sure he's got you.

When I get a smart DD, I never turn at flank. I'll use flank speed to gather steam, knock the engines back down to 1/3, THEN use my momentum to make a turn and get the hell out of there. That way I'm hoping he doesn't hear me well enough to get good fix on what course I'm turning to.

Destroyer and gun boat attack
 

I have to agree that "the best defense is a good offense." I have, after a number of attempts, been able to successfully engage destoyers using the following technique:
1) Navigate so that the destroyer is coming from the rear.
2) Set your torpedo depth between five and ten feet for destoyers (five feet for gun boats.
3) Lock the periscope on the target.
4) Use rudder control rather than compass. Maintain the average enemy route on the 180 degree line. That is, directly aft of the sub. Try not to use large rudder movements. Maintain a speed of at least "standard." Keeping him on the 180 degree line lessens the gyro angle and shortens the run time for the torpedo because the route is shorter.
5) Open the torpedo doors to save time ("Q"). Torps on "fast" and "contact/influence"
6) Use the attack map to verify torpedo's track. Wait until the destroyer get within about 400 yds and fire. I don't even use the periscope, but rather use the attack map. My XO can call out info to me.

I can confidently engage destroyers using this method (and survive). I have tried a "Down the throat" approach, which is more difficult because of the closing rate between the two vessels.

Note: If you fire too late, the torpedo will not arm. If that happens "Crash Dive" and pull down the periscope because he is going to run over you. Immediately order "periscope depth" as he goes over and re-engage as he moves away. Set up again. This time with the forward tubes. Make sure that you get everything ready BEFORE you start the engagement. Good Luck. Let me know how you do. :up: Old_tex

the only thing i would add to ur strategem old_tex is to turn your rudder hard in either direction to gain just a little more leverage on your escape...

what i do is the down the throat idea from soundman,
but i launch a spread of at least 3 torps and wait at peri depth until he veers.
when he veers, i veer in the opposite direction, stfu, and dive until the hull threatens to cave