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Sirkam 12-01-08 02:31 AM

How to evade incoming missiles
 
The CIWS (in Auto or Full auto) can't shoot down the incoming missiles and often hit me... Any suggestions to me?

Molon Labe 12-01-08 03:08 AM

Standoff/remain undetected, SM-2, Chaff.

Sirkam 12-01-08 04:05 AM

Stand off?
The missiles are too close to act quickly with the SM-2, only i can believe in the CIWS (i need to have the Air radar on to detect the incoming missiles).

Dr.Sid 12-01-08 07:14 AM

First you must realize there are limits for what FFG can handle. It's ASW unit, not AA. It can handle FEW missiles.

Don't get detected in the first place. It means, go on EMCON all the time. Helo has the radar too, and good one, so use it. Helo can also detect missiles at way longer ranges, because it's high, and if you expect missile threat, you can move the helo toward it. Then you can have information about the missiles real soon and few seconds can make a difference. You can use FFG air radar, but not before the missiles are inbound.

Also you can promote missile tracks to link, if there is Aegis nearby, it will help.

And lastly, don't underestimate chaff. Fill the air with it. But you must place it between you and the missile. In DW CMs works only if they are closer to missile (or torpedo). If they are not, they don't work at all. Every chaff cloud means percentage test, and it is especially good when the missiles are shoot in tight swarm. Many times I shot 8 missiles at ship and all 8 went through one simngle chaff cloud.
Also helo can drop chaff, but only if it is human controlled :nope:. Maybe you can try to shoot SM at it so it will lauch some :rotfl:.

Oh wait .. it's not the last thing. There are yet two important things in missile avoidance. Launch the helo if there is any onboard. It can pick up survivors or at least report there were none.
And the really last thing is: scream :arrgh!:

diver 12-01-08 07:51 AM

SM-2, 76mm rapid fire, CIWS.

Yeah none of them work all the time, but it provides a layered defence and increases your chances.

Sirkam 12-01-08 08:06 AM

Ok, thanks for the suggestions.

Sirkam 12-01-08 08:09 AM

I remember another thing:

The helo sometimes crashed (i lost the link..."No Sync"... and the status is "Down"), and i don't know if the helicopter runs out of fuel....

Dr.Sid 12-01-08 10:40 AM

76 mm is useless. It can't hit flying target. Not even helo. Don't bother. DW can't aim ballistic weapons at airborne targets.
There was discussion about it some time ago, I did some serious testing that time. We tried to change it in database to CIWS like weapon and it could hit helos then. CIWS bullets flies on straight lines, not ballistic curve.
On the other hand this modification had some other problems and it could not hit fast moving targets anyway.

And yes, based on internet, the real 76mm should be able to attack airborne targets.

captcav 12-01-08 07:42 PM

All of the above is correct, Chaff clouds do give you an increased chance of survival, slim, but it's a chance. The deployed Helo is the best option, If I am aware of a surface threat, I will place my helo in an advanced position out of enemy SAM range, and if there are two helo's embarked on the FFG, I will have one on either flank.

Trick with the CIWS is to manually look after it. Setting it to auto will have a far less discovery time then if it was manually armed once the incoming missiles were detected. Click off hold fire and acquire, this will prep the CIWS, then when it is in range engage the target, the mount does not need to turn then engage it's already in position. Believe it or not this can save upwards of a few seconds, but that can be the difference between life and death.

76mm, don't even both, unless you want to see some nice slashes. SM-2 is the primary weapon for taking out an incoming SSM. Please keep in mind, depending on the speed, size and flight pattern of the SSM, the SM-2 generally has a strike rate of about 75%.

Captcav

Sirkam 12-02-08 02:35 AM

I never used the 76mm cannon because it's useless. Only use the CIWS or the SM-2. By the way...the .50 machine guns can be used to destroy missiles at short ranges?


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