Stem Cells Can Now be Produced From Any Tissue
 

Its about time!!!

http://www.dailytech.com/Researchers...ticle12255.htm

-S

That is good! Now my hearing could be fixed!! Too bad it is illegal in Alabama due to the belief "against God's will."



America needs Socialism.

Nah. Just less bipolarity and more thinking.

PD

I thought all medical research led to zombies or plagues. The movies wouldn't lie to me, would they?

I always understood that it was possible from the beginning, just not economically viable.

Good news, nevertheless.

Needs more cowbell.:smug:


In all honesty, though, I think we need to start pushing more on the FREEDOM OF RELIGION right, not making it a standard for everyone to conform to Christianity. We should become an Agnostic-Atheist-Theist society, where you can either believe in a god or gods, or where you can reject these ideas altogether and live without a god or simply remain unsure.

In the United States today, 75% of the citizens are Christian. Only 10% are Atheist. The Christians do dominate most of the country, including the workings in Congress. In a country where it is considered controversial to swear in on a Torah or Quran (or simply refuse to swear in on any of the 3 books), you really need to step back and take a good long look at our rights.

The founding fathers of the United States believed that we should all have a right to formulate our own beliefs, or simply not believe at all. That's one of the main reasons why the first settlers came to the United States: because they didn't conform to the standards of a Protestant society and they were persecuted for it.

This reminds me of a study that was done by the University of Minnesota. Exactly 2,000 people were asked in a survey who they considered was the least American. More than blacks, Mexicans, homosexuals, or even Muslims... Atheists were called the least American. George H. W. Bush himself made the remark, "No, I don't think Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God." That's quite disturbing when you think about it.

I recall that there was recently a thing from the CSA (which is a joke in its own right) about Evolutionists. The topic title: Should Evolutionists Be Allowed to Vote?

Here's a link to that CSA thing (.PDF format):

http://www.csama.org/csanews/nws200807.pdf

That reminds me, the part about Evolutionists killing more people than all the wars of the last 2,000 years combined... is kind of... well, simply IS bull. Hitler killed the Jews because of Darwin's theory? What about all the people the Pope had killed during the Spanish Inquisition, Italian Inquisition, and the Roman Inquisition because of their differing beliefs?

Forming an agnostic-atheist-theist society? Why so complicated.

The right of free religion also includes: the right of freedom from religion, this is not only my reasoning, but that is how it already is a present in the 1st part of the bill of rights. A society where religious groups do not expect and have no right to expect the state to serve their purpose, and where the state also does not take no stand in favour of a given religion, but understands he actively has to stay away from religion as long as a given religion does not try to interfere with public life or the state's policies, duties and responsibilities (then he has to protect the society from religion) would be a large improvement. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; (...) " . The principle already has been included in the set of constitutional rules of the US. So, one would not need to change the state's laws, take away something and add something new. Just following the rules that already are being outlined would be enough. And religions with totalitarian claims to spread themselves and impose themselves onto earth and mankind and stating they have a duty of missionising, nevertheless step over the line that limits their claims, and have to step back and obey the law. their rights end where they start to limit the rights of others, or start to influence the state. This is what is called secularism. Granted, secularism and religious fundamentalism don't go well together, you can't have both. that's why fundamentalists do not become tired of trying to erode the principles of secularism. that should not be allowed, at no costs whatever.

Once a state starts to claim he has a duty to foster a given religion and serving it's interests, citizens should start to be extremely worried. the level of discrimination and mobbing against atheists as to be seen in local American communities as well as in the daily media war between atheistic secularists and fundamentalistic zealots is a warning sign how dangerous the threat already has become in some parts of the country. And then complaining when atheists critizise this acting by fundamentalists, and calling it discrimination of religion, is almost malicious. For a totalitarian mind wanting total social (and religious) uniformity, every individual not being in conformity with the rule is a danger threatening the future of all earth and mankind. In the end, totalitarian societies are societies of monocultures.

nothing can replace a free and healthy mind. Not even religion. It's mere exitence shows that the mind submitting to it is neither free, nor healthy. Religions do not wish for your good - they wish you to submit to them for their own good.

I would clarify this as 75% of the citizens claim to be christian. Whether they live by christian standards is not a requirement to self-identify as christian.

It is my belief that if one were to evaluate and identify the number of people who truly live by the standards and customs of christianity that this number would be significantly lower.

It is, of course, much easier to talk the talk then to walk the walk as we used to say in the military.

The problem is the hardcore of fudamentalist Christians have very loud voices.

I wouldn't say America needs particularly one politcal/social system or the other; Socialism or capatitalism; the most effective course for most countries is to cherry pick the best bits from both systems. It seems to me that the countries which tend to have the best standards of living, happiest populations etc mix elements from both sides of the spectrums.

Stealth Hunter, Skybird, I find it endlessly ironic that the US seems to be going down the path of creating a very narrow concept of what it is to be an American and what a free society is. The concept is conservative and christian. This would seem to run contrary to the principles of the US; ie a society where the right to have a difference of opinion is enshrined on the very constitution, and there is right to freedom of conscience.

Sounds like a lot of pandering to such a small percentage of the country.

I thought that we were talking about stem cells. There are a plethora of other threads in which to debate the role of atheism in society.

The Management

I don't mind the use of adult stem cells, as they can be extracted from the person who needs them. Embryo stem cells get the thumbs down from me, as it has too many moral and ethical issues attached to it.

I guess if you can make stem cells from any tissue, its no longer an issue. That is whats good about this. Give it time, and science will always find a way.

-S

I wonder if it weren't for those moral and ethical issues how long it would have taken for them to figure this out.

Save your boogers. They are paying top dollar for them at Genentec.