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mcf1 04-05-08 02:38 AM
Too much Topgun?
 
Check this out
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3427696.ece

Tango589 04-05-08 04:23 AM
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Ray Middleton, his British co-pilot, who had been unaware that the fly-by was performed without official permission, was suspended from training duties for six months.
I'm not surprised that the pilot got the bullet but this seems a bit much for the poor co-pilot.:huh:

Steel_Tomb 04-05-08 05:49 AM
I think I saw something about this a while ago about a low level fly past. Personally I think they're over reacting! If I recall there were some high level executives on board the flight, who originally didn't mind. Silly really, probably over some health and safety crap. I could understand a few weeks off and a telling off, but to out right dismiss him seems somewhat over the top!

Dowly 04-05-08 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb
I think I saw something about this a while ago about a low level fly past. Personally I think they're over reacting! If I recall there were some high level executives on board the flight, who originally didn't mind. Silly really, probably over some health and safety crap. I could understand a few weeks off and a telling off, but to out right dismiss him seems somewhat over the top!
It's always a risk when doing un-needed maneuvers i.e. victory passes. What if, during one's roll over the airfield, his controls fail. He'd plunge to the airfield, killing himself and in bad case, others too.

Steel_Tomb 04-05-08 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Dowly
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Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb
I think I saw something about this a while ago about a low level fly past. Personally I think they're over reacting! If I recall there were some high level executives on board the flight, who originally didn't mind. Silly really, probably over some health and safety crap. I could understand a few weeks off and a telling off, but to out right dismiss him seems somewhat over the top!
It's always a risk when doing un-needed maneuvers i.e. victory passes. What if, during one's roll over the airfield, his controls fail. He'd plunge to the airfield, killing himself and in bad case, others too.
Not his fault, the systems on board the aircraft failed. A highly unlikely scenario since there are multiple redundancy systems installed on modern commercial jets. We are talking about one of their most experianced pilots here too, I think hes well up to flying something that low. :p

mcf1 04-05-08 08:40 AM
Found one awesome but stupid. Check the third plane. :cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmOiF4FppYI

edit: check this too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PF8A11AWTY

Kapitan_Phillips 04-05-08 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb
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Originally Posted by Dowly
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Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb
I think I saw something about this a while ago about a low level fly past. Personally I think they're over reacting! If I recall there were some high level executives on board the flight, who originally didn't mind. Silly really, probably over some health and safety crap. I could understand a few weeks off and a telling off, but to out right dismiss him seems somewhat over the top!
It's always a risk when doing un-needed maneuvers i.e. victory passes. What if, during one's roll over the airfield, his controls fail. He'd plunge to the airfield, killing himself and in bad case, others too.
Not his fault, the systems on board the aircraft failed. A highly unlikely scenario since there are multiple redundancy systems installed on modern commercial jets. We are talking about one of their most experianced pilots here too, I think hes well up to flying something that low. :p
Yes, there are redundancy instruments, but at 28 feet, it'd take a split second for the aircraft to hit the ground, rather than having a several thousand foot cushion as the instruments were likely designed for.

TteFAboB 04-05-08 12:53 PM
Another reason for his dismissal is that it sends a message from the company to the passengers: don't worry, our pilots are responsible, obedient and always choose safety first. The one that didn't has already been sacked.

Steel_Tomb 04-05-08 04:53 PM
Something that large the ground lift would surely keep it up long enough, hes low yes but his AoA isn't going to be that big nothing out of the norm. To be honest a maneouver like that isn't much different from landing I mean its a bit silly hes a qualified pilot hes quite capable of handling himself. Fair enough if its for the pasengers, but some people are so screamy, slight turbulance and some people think the thing is going to fall out of the sky... jeeez! :damn:

Sailor Steve 04-05-08 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TteFAboB
Another reason for his dismissal is that it sends a message from the company to the passengers: don't worry, our pilots are responsible, obedient and always choose safety first. The one that didn't has already been sacked.
Except of course as the article described, the passengers were company executives who probably enjoyed the ride. He wasn't in trouble until after the video was all over the internet. They waited until then before deciding he should be fired.

And, in answer to Dowly's question about rolls, one of the greatest of them all:
http://www.aviationexplorer.com/707_roll_video.htm

Notice the punishment meted out to Tex Johnston by Boeing president Bill Allen.

And some stunt by one of the greatest ever, Bob Hoover. His specialty was the Aero/Shrike Commander, but I was privileged to see him make a P-51 do the wheel-to-wheel 'dance' live.
http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/006784.html

sonar732 04-05-08 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve
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Originally Posted by TteFAboB
Another reason for his dismissal is that it sends a message from the company to the passengers: don't worry, our pilots are responsible, obedient and always choose safety first. The one that didn't has already been sacked.
Except of course as the article described, the passengers were company executives who probably enjoyed the ride. He wasn't in trouble until after the video was all over the internet. They waited until then before deciding he should be fired.

And, in answer to Dowly's question about rolls, one of the greatest of them all:
http://www.aviationexplorer.com/707_roll_video.htm

Notice the punishment meted out to Tex Johnston by Boeing president Bill Allen.

And some stunt by one of the greatest ever, Bob Hoover. His specialty was the Aero/Shrike Commander, but I was privileged to see him make a P-51 do the wheel-to-wheel 'dance' live.
http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/006784.html
Both of those were sweet!

TteFAboB 04-06-08 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve
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Originally Posted by TteFAboB
Another reason for his dismissal is that it sends a message from the company to the passengers: don't worry, our pilots are responsible, obedient and always choose safety first. The one that didn't has already been sacked.
Except of course as the article described, the passengers were company executives who probably enjoyed the ride. He wasn't in trouble until after the video was all over the internet. They waited until then before deciding he should be fired.
Indeed, we couldn't even call them real passengers. When those, the real passengers, especially the ones afraid of flying, see the video all over the internet they blacklist this company fearing boarding planes with rogue pilots. They don't see skill and capability, they see a near-death experience and crazyness. It may be silly, but no doubt the company's fear is less irrational than the passengers's.

FIREWALL 04-06-08 01:35 PM
Go back and read the WHOLE story lady's. He's no more going to lose his job than any of you are going to fly anything more than your computers.:p

What a bunch a NERDS :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


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