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andylegate 10-16-07 01:43 PM

BOOM!
 
Sorry! Just HAD to post this pic, one of my favorites!

This is a pic of the USS Iowa, BB-61 in 1984. She's shooting all 9 16 inch barrels!
Please note the depression of the ocean from the shock wave! The aft one is bigger because the aft guns fired a fraction of a second before the forward mounts, so the wave had expanded more at the time of the pic


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...a_bb-61_pr.jpg

Here is another view. Please note how much the ship is literally shoved to port from the guns shooting. You can see that movement in the water:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ng316-inch.jpg

madmike81 10-16-07 01:51 PM

I love that pic too but i must correct you on one thing. The force of the guns firing isnt enough to move the ship though. What your seeing is the force of the blast moving along the hull of the ship.

Here is a good link that explains it well! http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-022.htm

The 16 inch gun is large, but even 9 of them firing at once isnt enough to shove 57000 tons in the water.

But still an awesome pic for sure.

Huskalar 10-16-07 01:57 PM

Awesome pictures indeed!! :rock:

seafarer 10-16-07 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madmike81
I love that pic too but i must correct you on one thing. The force of the guns firing isnt enough to move the ship though.


As analysed here - http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-022.htm :p

Still an awesome picture though!

NiclDoe 10-16-07 02:46 PM

Also did you see the New Jersey fire the first turrent left second right and 3rd left again. its so cool. PS i live in NJ so i seen the BB at Camden NJ.

andylegate 10-17-07 05:28 AM

oops! I stand corrected! :oops:

The math holds that the ships mass is too much for the guns to move her in a latteral direction like that!
Optical illusion from the photo! :yep:

madmike81 10-17-07 06:46 AM

Google the "Montana Class" battleships. They never were built die to the fact the aircraft carriers were deemed more important...but its nice eye candy.

andylegate 10-17-07 07:05 AM

Dat's a BIG boat!! :rotfl:

Yes, sadly, the BB was actually obsolete by the time WWII started. It just took the navies of the world (except Japan of course) a while to realize it. With the advent and improvement of missiles, they became even more obsolete, gun wise.
I've seen some artists impression of a Guided Missile BB. Impressive!
My DDG's I was on could take aircraft out while, er, well, while sitting in Savannah, Georgia, we could shoot aircraft down flying over Charleston, South Carolina, no problem (having been out of the Navy for 13 years now I hate not knowing what's still classified, and what's NOT classified any more! sheesh! ;) )

Anyways, we carried 38 SM2-ER Terrier missiles. Now imagine having a BB that could carry up to 4 times that amount or more! Not to mention having Harpoon anti-ship missles and Tomahawk land missiles! :o

Sailor Steve 10-17-07 11:11 AM

Yep, we had a huge discussion about that very photo a few months back:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ships+sideways

seafarer 10-17-07 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andylegate
Yes, sadly, the BB was actually obsolete by the time WWII started.

Aww, back in the day (WWI - Jutland, British Fleet)

P.S. and I always liked this picture - http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/i...000/g42522.jpg

All those 6" shell casings piled up speak volumes, of the men sweating down in the magazines and the turrets (Brooklyn class 6" guns were not power loaded), and of those on the receiving end (each casing means a 105lb shell landing down range).

I-25 10-17-07 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve
Yep, we had a huge discussion about that very photo a few months back:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ships+sideways

beat me to it jajaja

Capt. Shark Bait 10-17-07 06:02 PM

lookin at that top pic i was thinkin if the Iowas were a bit longer and of slightly wider beam they coulda had 4 main battery turrets. go figure:

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/usnshtp/bb/bb67.htm

Sailor Steve 10-18-07 11:21 AM

What that reference doesn't mention is that the Iowas were built specifically to run with the carrier groups. The longer, wider Montanas would have been to slow for that.

Capt. Shark Bait 10-18-07 05:25 PM

can you imagine a TF built around maybe 2 Montana's ready for a fleet action taking on another similar unit? :hmm: , no drool smiley

U49 10-18-07 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt. Shark Bait
can you imagine a TF built around maybe 2 Montana's ready for a fleet action taking on another similar unit? :hmm: , no drool smiley

I'm wondering if it would lead to the situation CSS Virginia vs. USS Monitor?
From the outside quite dramatic from a military side a standstill, and presumably a waste of time and ressources. :hmm:


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