Rift between Germany and France widening
 

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...506124,00.html

I already had mentioned myself that I find this hectic narcissist increasingly nerve-killing. I think its Anything Goes! if only it leads to Sarkozy's face being printed in the news paper next day again, 7 days a week. Some of his stunts, like nuclear technology and modern ATGMs for Lybia, offering nuclear technology to other Arab states as well, are totally unacceptable. that he now offered Germany the nuclear bomb, so to speak, just illustrated how little he does know about Germany - or cares for this german ally that he more and more tends to treat like a vasall that is expected to applaud his ambitions, and nothing else.

Think of the constant affronts he causes in whatever way you want, but what he produces is not cosmetic damage on diplomatic level. He simply causes massive, substantial damages that affect many more countries than just Germany or the EU.

I said it before in a threat, and say it again: I'm deeply dissapointed by this man, and have totally misjudged him. Doesn't happen too often that I misjudge somebody so massively. His policies have no other vision than to increase what he considers to be the glory of his personal presidency.

And like all narcissists he hates to be criticised or rejected. It seems he then even become simply mean. Such characters are dangerous, plain and simple.

Monsieur, if you want to be taken serious and be respect - then treat others in a way that they respect you, and do something that we could take you serious for. the world is not your private TV studio with you in front of the cameras, and being director, scriptwriter, actor and studio owner all rolled into one, you know. Right now you just piss most if not all of us off.

When I read your subject line I thought to myself "What else is new?". Hasn't this been the state of Europe for the last 500 years? It is why we fought two world wars.

I don't know much about Sarkozy but I know this, he is much better than Chirac who was personally involved in Oil-for-food scandal, had a questionable personal relationship with Saddam Hussein and helped them acquire the Osiris nuclear reactors that Israel took out in 1981.

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Chirac even called Saddam a "close personal friend"

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From my perspective, I like Sarkozy's attitude a lot better, he seems to be much more of an ally to the US than the last couple have been. I also like his tough talk against Iran.

Then you are not up to date. until the early or mid-nineties, the ties had developed formidable. helmut Schmidt and Valery giscard d'estaing, and later helmut Kohl and francois Mitterand focussed heavily on this alliance, and pushed it forward. And with all fairness, it worked very well. Without France and germany's reconciliation, there wouldn't have been an EEC, a EU of the early vision, and friendship between both nations of private levels.
Not before the early "EEC" was increasing in size, and the many members could not be discussing solutions so easily anymore, and the eurocrats started to grab for power, in short: not before Schmidt and d'Estaing started to attack and complain about the principles of the fundament for a united europe, as they had envisioned it, becoming increaingly betrayed and destroyed, the state of Franco-German relations started to shift, hidden from the public, but shifting for the worse. Sarkozy has pressed the pedal on this developement, it seems. That he is caring so less to also raise personaL sentiments against himself, does not really help. such acting didn't help bush to find allies. It will not help Sarkozy either. Bad manners most of the time do not pay off.

On a private level, private relations between Germans and French are doing extremely well, and private economic cooperations work good..

Who - Chircac, or the US? Or both?

Just wait until he spoils it for you, like he has spoiled it for us, and the rest of europe. This guy is willing to sell nuclear tech to your and our worst enemies. That should make you think about this "closed ally" and "friend of US policies". He is not friend to US polices. He wants you to believe so only, it is a stunt, a coup, a way of winning more headlines again.

If you trust him you'll get the same what we got - you have been warned.

What -are you really considering France to be your ally on the ground of US policies...? Usually having defended the French a bit against American ressentiments, I now must laugh.

He also talked tough against Turkey, and now has started to court them, and indicated to the EU that maybe Turkey's membership will no longer be opposed by him.

I say you simply cant trust what he says.

Very interesting. The whole situation just reminds me of when Donald Rumsfeld mentioned "old Europe".

I, too, believe that Sarkozy is nothing but a talking Maginot Line.

You mean this Donald "old europe" Rumsfeld?

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Just to put things into perspective, this would have been smack in the middle of Ayatollah Khomeini's anti-US "Great Satan" campaign and the Iran Iraq War. The US' relationship with Iraq seems to have been more a result of the precarious logic of "my enemy's enemy is my friend".

On the other hand, what was France's and Europe's rush to snuggle up to Saddam back in 1975? Hint: it's slimey.

These 2 things are slightly not alike.

Exactly, I just put the "old Europe" in there to get a rise out of Skybird because I like his lengthy, well thought out, "wall of text" he always writes as a response. The fact is French were working with Saddam way before the US ever did, and we never gave him nuclear technology. Our purpose in dealing with him was to try to straighten out that Iran mess that Jimmy Carter got the US into. Avon Lady pretty much summed that all up very well.

While I think of der spiegel as a biased source of information, the French have been long known to have questionable relationships with people that they shouldn't be dealing with. I haven't read anything on Sarkozy yet that said he was trading technology to Arab nations but if he is then the US should reconsider France. I was happy to see Sarkozy elected mainly because I have a passionate hatred for socialism and his rival was a socialist.

I do find it strange that Lybia was mentioned. I thought Kaddafi pretty much gave all that up after we caught a weapons shipment headed there from N. Korea a few years back. Looks like he needs another dose of Reagan diplomacy.

I must point out that I was very specific with my words:

"These 2 things are slightly not alike."

The US had plenty of secondary motives and lucrative benefits. A policy of chosing the lesser of two evil sides may be justified but it is usually a slippery slope.
The French are slow this week.

And the beat goes on.
Leopard.

Spots.

I apologize then, but I wasn't aware of the trigger. :)

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