Frugality
 

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Lets start with a nice example of frugality (just because I like it ;) ):

The story goes that Diogenes of Sinope lived in a barrel in Athens with only a
lantern and a bowl. When he saw a beggar eat corn from his hands; Diogenes
threw away his bowl because he did not need it.
Diogenes spent time with the great philosophers of the time and had a
philosophical following himself.
One day, as Diogenes sat in the sun out side his barrel, the emperor Alexander The
Great approached him and asked Diogenes if there was anything he could do for
him. Diogenes said "yes, stand aside, your are blocking the sun".

Diogenes may have been a wild eccentric, but the idea of the frugal life is one that plays a part in every major religion and is usually something that is respected in some way by people regardless of religion and it is something that interests me.
Of course it is also something that the corporate world fights against. A shopping center full of zen monks makes no money!

What do you guys think?
Is there something inherently good about a frugal life?
Is there a kind of spiritual contentedness that can only be found when the material is cast aside?
Is frugality just a kind of laziness that forces other people to work harder?
At what point does frugality become neglect?
Do the frugal miss out on important parts of life? or conversely, do the wealthy miss out on important parts of life?

Perhaps this is a strange topic for a subsim forum, but take it as you will!
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Non-working visa + limited savings = Frugality

:P

I don't think it is quite the same if it is not what you want! :P

True! I'd write a proper answer, but I'm feeling snide and obtuse.....maybe later

"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose." Janis Joplin

You can be hard working and still be frugal.

I think it is best if "things" don't make you happy.

I pity folks who have to drive or live in a monument to themselves.

Look at how marketing took over the hippies in the 60's. Pretty soon there was even a hippy deoderant.

I exercise frugality insofar as I don't ever spend more than I have and I usually budget very carefully. I've mapped out my next two years of university and as long as I subtract X amount from each paycheck and put it into my savings I will not go into ANY debt. Anything left over is good for whatever. I don't usually like to buy "extravagances" like flashy clothes, but I did just buy a new camera as photography is a hobby I enjoy very much. So I do put a lot of thought and research into big purchases.

Having a girlfriend means I sometimes have to throw caution to the wind, but I'm not afraid to just put my foot down and say "I can't afford that." I'm lucky enough to be with someone who understands and appreciates that, I think.

EDIT: Of course, he misses out on things. But so do those who indulge themselves, albeit they miss different things. It's just a different perspective, s'all.

An NP thread? The horror!!! :D

Anyway, I think he did miss out on a lot of life by his choosen way to live the way he did. It is similar to me to putting ones self into a box that he would have no capability to get out of nor the means. Just my thoughts on it.

-S

Jesus lived frugal live, abstaining from wealth despite having the means to acquire it.
Do you think he lived in such a box?

Nah, he was in box construction

I grew up in a very poor, hard-working family.

People who grow up in very poor, hard-working families have two paths, given proper opportunity:
1) They become hyper-efficient and advance way way up, beating out any competitors with sheer determination
2) They grow used to having little and enjoying the heck out of it, and live a quiet life without ambition (cause it could always be worse)

I'm very much a #2 :p

Pretty much, being a carpenter.

Letum - And I think you have two versions of frugality here. I guess to have a proper discussion, you would need to define where the borders are. This guy living in a barrel was in a much poorer state. Do I have a point?

-S

I think you fall somewhere in between. The fact you even own a computer and use the internet puts you in a very different class from the poor.

-S

so you can (and you do!) enjoy life even tho you have little wealth? I won't argue with that!

Do you think you are able to enjoy life so much because you have so little, or because you don't strive to obtain more? Perhaps both?

Do you think you would be more happy if you had even less?
i.e. if you didn't have the PC you are using (Im just using the PC as a example, it could be any object you own)

Do you think you would be more happy if you where less bothered about having the small things you enjoy now?
i.e. if you didn't want the PC you are using.

Sorry for all the questions! Your replys are very much appreciated! :)

I did say it in past tense. Likewise, I grew up in a very different society that's hard to compare to anything in the West, besides maybe the Great Depression.

I've got no illusions of being a hermit or intentionally poor, though. I'm not heading into a line of work associated with 'living on nothing' (academic), but I'm not heading there for financial reasons. Sometimes my lack of motivation through gain is a real hamper; I keep telling people that I've been born without a competitive bone in my body, and it's very true. That alone will probably always keep me relatively unsuccessful as far as finances go, and modest as far as requirements.

False. I've seen different myself as has many other people in this forum. You have a form of passive competiveness at the very least! :D