[REL] Royal Netherlands Navy mod v0.2 *Discontinued*
 

I was put off a little by the lack of Dutch naval presence in the game and decided to kitbag some models to at least give them some cruisers and destroyers; an armed trawler will simply not do for our brave sailors. Right now they're one on one copies of American ships with a Dutch flag waving from it. I hope to eventually recreate the vessels and support planes properly and add them to the world map until their demise in march '42.

I know the DOC's are off, the ships don't even look like what they're supposed to represent and the armaments are not accurate, but the top speeds and crews are accurate to the best of my knowledge. I didn't change anything to the drafts and measurements because of incompatibility fears. All you can do for the moment is view them in the museum and add them to a mission in the editor: it doesn't add anything visually.

If anyone wants to take this as a base or reference, please, feel free to use it! Just let me know and I'll try to help you out. While I do have some photoshop experience I'm no modeller and any help, suggestions or comments are appreciated!

Download v0.2: *deleted by filefront*

Jan 29th 2014:

I still receive notifications from subsim once in a while from people interested in the mod. I'm very happy that after all this time it continues to be a popular topic! Unfortunately I gave up SHV modding years ago and I no longer play it. All my work on it has been unfortunately formatted years back and FileFront deleted all my uploads some time ago. I tried salvaging some but unfortunately all I could find was an early v0.1 version I doubt anyone is interested in.

But, if there is still interest I'll upload it.

Thanks for all the support of everyone involved! It was a fun ride for a while with some good memories!

A lot of dutch stuff could be morphed from SH3 or GWX models.
Actually the best stand in for de Ruyter (and base for future real model) would be a GWX German Pocket Battleship. Resize it and equip it with 15 cm guns and you have de Ruyter
Sumatra and Java looked very similar to Emden III (the 1924 one), but in reality they were a bit larger and older than Emden III, but of course strongly influnced by german WW1 cruisers.
I always thought de Ruyter looked like "Graf Spee's little brother" :)
For Tromp and Heemskerck, the best base would be a Porter class destroyer, as those two were really flotilla leaders.
The Admiralen destroyers look a lot like british A-I class destroyers, but are of course larger.

That's a lot of useful information, I actually forgot about the Tromp and Jacob van Heemskerk, I figured those were captured by the germans in 1940. Guess I'm wrong. I'd do it If I actually had SHIII available to me (SHIV is my entry into the series, I'll be sure to look around for it). For now I'll contend with what I have available for placeholders and then we'll see. I mostly did this to get familiar with SHIV's filestucture and options.

Thanks for the info!

The captured incomplete cruisers were de zeven Provincien and Eendracht.
One of those was still in service with Peru some years ago (maybe still is) as the world's last active gun cruiser.
Those were "real" cruisers, not Flottilla leaders like Trom and Heemskerck, but I don't know their originally intended armament and specs.

Tromp was complete in 1940 and served in the netherlands east indies navy, but somehow missed the slaughter of 1942 and served on in the british eastern fleet.
Heemskerck was still unarmed when the germans invaded and was competed in britain.
As no 15 cm guns or similar were available, she was converted into an AA cruiser with 10 x 4.1" DP guns in five twin turrets in place of the 15 cm turrets and the torpedo tubes.

I like the story about this Dutch minesweeper:

"HNMS Abraham Crijnssen


The Crijnssen gathered fame during the Second World War, because of her spectacular escape from Surabaya to Australia in March 1942. Covered with treebranches, the minesweeper crossed the Japanese naval lines camouflaged as a tropical island."

:rotfl:

http://www.uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/2849.html

What ship ( s ) do you need from SH3

Edit

Dutch naval OOB WW2

http://www.netherlandsnavy.nl/

That is so so funny !
:rotfl:
Anyway, bring on the Dutch stuff and we'll sink em' !
[Pst .. are they the good guys or the bad guys ?!]

Check your war facts or don't give stupid comments , many Dutch lost their lives there.

Mud

Jeez, it was just a joke ?
We could all take things like this personally if we so wish; lighten up !

Well, I'm not sure which classes are represented by UBI or other modders already but I figured the odds are slim because of the different operational theatre. Or did someone take the time to add all the ships?

Basicly I want to represent (to some degree) the dutch naval presence in the East Indies and Australia. So if SHIII has the Admiralen class destroyer, the Java class cruisers, the de Ruyter, the Tromp class cruisers, the K and O class submarines I'd like to see those very much. I don't particularly care too much about minesweepers and the types of lifeboats used (bamboo rafts were quite common).

I'm toying around with the mission editor to add patrols and taskforces until March '42. After that there's only the submarine service and some of the ships left in Australia. I need to find a good tutorial though.

I can understand your viewpoint, but please don't underestimate the dutch presence in the east indies. They basicly kept Australia safe from Imperial reach until their eventual downfall. Surabaya was quite a modern and well-stocked port.

Here's a site with dutch subs: http://www.dutchsubmarines.com/
A site with good info on the battles around The Indies: http://www.geocities.com/dutcheastindies/

Unfortunately there are no native Dutch warships in SH3 (to my knowledge). I would really love to see the Tromp class added though (to both SH3 *and* SH4, although it seems that we're not allowed to mention SH3 "over here").

Another nice Dutch addition would be the Dornier Do.24. That does exist as a mod in SH3 and I'm sure could be ported over.

Ah yes, the Dornier. Good spot, I'll add it to the "to-do" list.

Oh, boy, am I in trouble. Can't play SH4 yet, so I refer to "that other sim" all the time.:rotfl:

I'm working on a Quick mission right now using the placeholders from 0.1 and I've stumbled into some factual errors from UBI.

Basicly when I spawned the ABDACOM fleet they were immediatly taken under fire from jap coastal batteries and sunk.

Rather odd considering the port was still in Dutch hands at the time. I've altered the jap_coastalbatteries.mis a bit so the batteries don't appear around Surabaya until well into april. Takes some time to build em I suppose.

Anyway during my first run the 3 java (houston class in disguise) class got beat by two destroyers and a light cruiser. So far so good.

And if you really wanna get carried away, don't forget that the Dutch had 12 Hurricanes in service there too. ;)

Curiously, from a pedantic point of view, will "Djakarta" maintain the Dutch name throughout the war? I mean, we all know the Japanese changed it to garner support amongst the locals, but the Allies still referred to it as Batavia until after the war when the name was adopted by the Indonesians.

Just like Singapore: the Allies never referred to it by the Japanese-occupied name of "Syonan-to".

(I'm Australian but I have an interest in the Dutch East Indies affairs of pre/early WWII)