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raduz 03-09-07 02:59 AM

submarine wars impact on environment
 
maybe off topic, but have you ever think how many sea animals died during a single DC attack? my grand father told me that during WW2, he was in the mountains with his friends, and as they were hungry and they had no fishing rod, they threw a grenade to the river. (they were soldiers). after the explosion, plenty of dead fishes appeared on the surface...

so if one small grenade caused death to so many animals, what impact had thousands of DC? or a single sunk tanker?

IRONxMortlock 03-09-07 03:01 AM

Not only this but think about the sheer amount of oil which was spilt into the seas!
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raduz 03-09-07 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by IRONxMortlock
Not only this but think about the sheer amount of oil which was spilt into the seas!

that s what I meant by "a single sunk tanker"

Zero Niner 03-09-07 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by raduz
maybe off topic, but have you ever think how many sea animals died during a single DC attack? my grand father told me that during WW2, he was in the mountains with his friends, and as they were hungry and they had no fishing rod, they threw a grenade to the river. (they were soldiers). after the explosion, plenty of dead fishes appeared on the surface...

so if one small grenade caused death to so many animals, what impact had thousands of DC? or a single sunk tanker?

Then again, the sound of high speed screws & sonar pings might've scared the fish away... :know:

Dantenoc 03-09-07 03:42 AM

The stories of all those dead fish washing up on the shore during D-Day come to mind. :yep:

raduz 03-09-07 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Zero Niner
Then again, the sound of high speed screws & sonar pings might've scared the fish away... :know:

heh I almost forgot! Off course, sound of screws and pings had the most detrimental effect on sea life:)

AndyW 03-09-07 04:35 AM

I have read that "Operation Drumbeat" (the attack of German u-boats on the U.S. coast early 1942) was also so successfull because the Hotel and bar owners on the Florida coast refused to black-out, because they were concerned that this will harm the tourist business. As a result, the german u-boats found ships perfectely illumiated from the nearby coast.

After the german u-boats had sunk a few tankers thanks to that, the hotel and bar owners around the Florida coast had a different problem, as the beaches were now full of oil, wreckage and here and then bodies of dead sailors. That was the time they agreed that a black-out would have been the lesser problem for thier business.

Cheers,
AndyW

Torplexed 03-09-07 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by IRONxMortlock
Not only this but think about the sheer amount of oil which was spilt into the seas!

A very large tanker in WW2 was about 15,000 gross registered tons. Most were around 8,000 tons. The Exxon Valdez was 110,831 grt. The really big supertankers are up to 240,000 tons displacement. You'd have to sink a lot of full-up tankers (not sailing in ballast) in WW2 to create the devastation of one supertanker sinking today. I'm not saying it didn't have an impact, but the effects were'nt nearly as concentrated as they would be in the postwar future.

Corsair 03-09-07 08:18 AM

Listening to a few DDs dropping cans at a safe distance from my sub, I sure think they are killing a lot of fish... The sea birds will have a hell of a good time after that when things quiet down...:D

raduz 03-09-07 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Corsair
Listening to a few DDs dropping cans at a safe distance from my sub, I sure think they are killing a lot of fish... The sea birds will have a hell of a good time after that when things quiet down...:D

how cynical! :-? :D:D

Corsair 03-09-07 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Corsair
Listening to a few DDs dropping cans at a safe distance from my sub, I sure think they are killing a lot of fish... The sea birds will have a hell of a good time after that when things quiet down...:D

how cynical! :-? :D:D

Just trying to see the positive side of things...:D

Kingswat 03-09-07 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by IRONxMortlock
Not only this but think about the sheer amount of oil which was spilt into the seas!

well, the "oil hurts stuff" attitude is just a conspiracy by the people that hug trees to get us to stop using oil.

Foghladh_mhara 03-09-07 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by IRONxMortlock
Not only this but think about the sheer amount of oil which was spilt into the seas!

well, the "oil hurts stuff" attitude is just a conspiracy by the people that hug trees to get us to stop using oil.

Yeah, damned tree huggers. They're prob behind that 'smoking is bad for you' crap as well just so we wont hurt the tobacco plants:down:

AVGWarhawk 03-09-07 12:04 PM

Many a whale was tracked and DC'd:o.

What's in that uboat somewhere of Norway......mercury I think!?!?. It is leaking now and creating a mess.

Kpt. Kozloff 03-09-07 12:26 PM

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What's in that uboat somewhere of Norway......mercury I think!?!?. It is leaking now and creating a mess.

Correct. 5th Dec 1944, British sub Venturer torpedoed U-864, wich sunk with 73 men and 1857 canisters of mercury as well as jet-plane parts, destined for Japan.
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