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UglyMowgli 11-08-06 12:55 PM

Donald Rumsfeld Resigns
 
I heard that on the french TV, confirmed by CNN.

Konovalov 11-08-06 01:19 PM

Is anyone shocked by this seriously?

The phrase "lame duck President" is being thrown about now with regards to President Bush. Whilst this may or may not the case, one thing is for sure. Donald Rumsfeld is a dead duck and was so as soon as the mid-term election results started to become clear.

He leaves an interesting legacy at the Pentagon as a man who brought sweeping cultural and structual changes to a complex institution in the DOD. He also has on his CV ownership of a war which in it's initial phases was conducted brilliantly, but afterwards became the object of ever growing controversy.

Onkel Neal 11-08-06 01:40 PM

Yep. He had some innovative ideas but many did not work in practice. I wish Bush had canned him right after the election.

DAB 11-08-06 02:12 PM

I'm suprised he survived Abu Grave to be honest. Certainly that marked a watershed. Before, he was seen as an advocate of an aggressive stance on the War on Terror. Afterwards, he was just seen as Nieve

11-08-06 02:13 PM

Politically a smart move. I think we all know the democrats are going to go after an impeachment of GWB. As a private citizen Mr. Rumsfeld can invoke his fifth amendment rights.

fredbass 11-08-06 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waste gate
Politically a smart move. I think we all know the democrats are going to go after an impeachment of GWB. As a private citizen Mr. Rumsfeld can invoke his fifth amendment rights.

No, of course we all don't know that. Actually, I seriously doubt it. And even if they wanted to, they would need a certain amount of help from the Republicans which is seriously doubtful.

Konovalov 11-08-06 02:51 PM

The late President Nixon once descibed Rumsfeld as "one tough little bastard" and I think that sums it all up really.

11-08-06 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fredbass
Quote:

Originally Posted by waste gate
Politically a smart move. I think we all know the democrats are going to go after an impeachment of GWB. As a private citizen Mr. Rumsfeld can invoke his fifth amendment rights.

No, of course we all don't know that. Actually, I seriously doubt it. And even if they wanted to, they would need a certain amount of help from the Republicans which is seriously doubtful.

OK, watch the resignations and how Karl Rove takes the weapons away from the democrat congress. Rumsfeld was only the first. Watch, Dick Cheney, George Tennant, Alberto Gonzales, Andy Card has been gone for a while, but watch Josh Bolton resign.

fredbass 11-08-06 03:06 PM

To clarify, you only need a simple majority to impeach in the House, but impeachment is only a formal decision to have the President tried by the Senate for his removal. 2/3 of Senate vote is needed for removal. blah blah, End of story.

Ok, watching now, just for you. :)

Ishmael 11-08-06 03:11 PM

Wayne Madsen, the "tin-foil hat" guy called this on Oct. 24. Here's the link:

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/2006_10231031.php

Seems remarkably prescient to me. But hey, what do I know? I'm just a liberal. Gee! Could this guy actually have some credibility? The only thing I see that he got wrong was Liberman as Sec Def instead of Bob Gates. The Bush family are circling the wagons. Any bets on how long before we see a Cheney resignation? Think it could be before January?

Ducimus 11-08-06 05:08 PM

The thought of congress impeaching Bush Jr is just extreme right wing paranoia.
As for Rumesfield.... boo hoo. Someone pass the kleenex, i think i might shed a tear.....



of joy.

TteFAboB 11-08-06 05:28 PM

He's responsible for the occupation of Iraq, so it's about time he goes. May his successor choose who to listen to better.

11-08-06 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TteFAboB
He's responsible for the occupation of Iraq, so it's about time he goes. May his successor choose who to listen to better.

Your sense of who the Secratary of Defence listens to may be a bit off.

The Secratary of Defence works for the President. That is to whom he listens.

STEED 11-08-06 06:23 PM

Good bye farewell and...........................

Grayback 11-08-06 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waste gate
Politically a smart move. I think we all know the democrats are going to go after an impeachment of GWB. As a private citizen Mr. Rumsfeld can invoke his fifth amendment rights.

I don't believe that there's any special exception to the 5th for acting government officials, and if the Dems are going after Bush and not Rumsfeld, and he's not facing any prosecution himself, then the 5th doesn't apply at all. You can't invoke a right against self-incrimination against disclosing information that doesn't incriminate you.


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