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The First Soviet Nuclear Submarines

by Blair Shaw. Hmmm... that sounds familiar. :03:

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In the Beginning
With the cold war reaching a new level of tension following the detonation of Jo 1 the Soviet Unions first atomic bomb, it became very clear that not only was the world going to enter into a nuclear weapons race, but also a race to build a power generation system the likes the world had never before seen.

With much testing over the years in secret laboratories across the United States, France and the UK, the final goal of creating an effectively limitless power source for a military submarine eventually came to fruition in the USA, it was led by non other than Admiral Hyman G Rickover.

On the 17th January 1955 Captain Eugene Wilkinson flashed a message that ultimately changed the world of submarines forever, it simply read “Under way on nuclear power.”
In the sea trials and exercises that followed it proved that this was almost certainly the way to go for submarines, not only can they go faster for much longer, but they can cause chaos for the current anti submarine weapons of the time.

Oddly prior to this development the Soviet government had banned any study into the possibility of developing a reactor for a submarine, fearing it would slow down the production of the atomic bomb. however, With the Nautilus now proving such a threat and the realization that Nautilus was not going to just be a one-off project the sudden realization that the Soviets needed a boat to match was realized.

The Soviet side had been watching the program with a very keen interest, and as such eventually persuaded Joseph Stalin in 1952 to build their own boat, at this moment we can say the soviets now fully understood the United states had a weapons carrier that could approach from under the Polar ice and threaten the North of Russia or any coastline at will.
It also meant their anti submarine capabilities were rendered totally ineffective, and thus the order went out catch up and overtake.

The Race is on
With the Death of Joseph Stalin in 1953 the project looked like it would be cancelled while it was still being designed. However, with Nikita Kruschev coming to power and Admiral Kuznetsov in charge of the navy the realization was that this project must continue but for a different purpose.
The T15 project which was a large torpedo designed to get into and destroy the harbors of NATO forces was scrapped, and with the scrapping of this project the project 627 was altered to become a pure attack submarine using traditional torpedoes.

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Thanks neal appreciate it

Long read, but interesting for sure at least to those that don't have top secret clearances.

This information was available in real time ... :yep:

Sonar has two modes active and passive ... ASW ships use active and submarines use passive.

The active ping can't tell you what country your ship may have located, but passive sonar can.

From what I have heard whenever a Russia submarine located a USN submarine they would use a tactic
called 'chicken dance' and steer straight for it without any data (in the 60's) to tell what depth the other boat was at.

That's how they got the name 'chicken dance' ... the first one that moved was the chicken.

If the Russians couldn't figure out how to dispose of a nuclear submarine ...
How were they smart enough to know how to build one?

Thank God we never had a war to figure out which side was better :yep:

Think all sides in the beginning it was a suck it and see job, the USN didn't plan for disposal neither did the British or French and that's the legacy were all facing today however, arguably the Russians and Americans have it down to a art while the UK and France struggles with it.

Since the end of the cold war Russia had to dispose of something like 400 submarines and right now they have actually completed nearly all of them, there's a few that remain which came out of service in the 2000's.

Frankly, the Soviets first efforts in the November class were probably better than America's first. The Nautilus was noisy underwater and couldn't sustain full speed of 20 knots. The Albacore hull design of later submarines had to be mated up to nuclear propulsion to really make a winning submarine platform.

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Originally Posted by FireDragon76 (Post 2750750)

Nautilus was more of a prototype to prove the concept and what a concept it was and more importantly it worked fantastically.

I agree nautilus had limitations i think its fair to say all the first generation boats did but what nautilus achieved in the early years was remarkable.

as for noise the November was no better in fact probably just as noisy if not louder than nautilus especially when pushing 30 knots.

overall the quality even in the nautilus I would say was superior to the Novembers and not just the build but sensor technology too something the Russians didn't pick up until the late 1970's with the victor III

Indeed the albacore plus a reactor made for the winning formula definitely

Perhaps we fight a war and perhaps we won't, but we have already won being ready :yep:

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net...6c&oe=60E34F74

Wrecked Submarines, Vladivostok, Russia
Stripped down wrecks of what appear to be Foxtrot-class submarines lie trapped in the ice outside the naval base at Vladivostok. The Foxtrot-class were diesel-electric powered submarines designed to hunt NATO vessels. The first Foxtrot-class submarine was commissioned in 1958 and could remain submerged for up to five days with a crew of 78.

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro (Post 2751311)

Perhaps we fight a war and perhaps we won't, but we have already won being ready.

With that 'tude, perhaps we should name our next submersible: USS Parabellum! :arrgh!:

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro (Post 2751311)

Indeed these are Foxtrot class submarines they are in fact version 3 boats which were built between 1977 and 1983 and they have all now been scrapped this picture was taken in the early 2000's

I did a write up of the Foxtrot which i went to in Belgium which has since been scrapped

https://www.navygeneralboard.com/a-c...ass-submarine/

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby (Post 2751322)

With that 'tude, perhaps we should name our next submersible: USS Parabellum! :arrgh!:

Looking fwd to the movie :up:

John Wick: Chapter 3 – Parabellum

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Crackin stuff Blair :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:

Thanks Jim

Got a lot more to do, i do one a month usually so plenty more to come.

Nice one :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up: