SUBSIM Radio Room Forums

SUBSIM Radio Room Forums (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/index.php)
-   Helosim.com and Flight Sims (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/forumdisplay.php?f=216)
-   -   German Jet Ar-234 Makes No Sense (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=198449)

Red October1984 09-14-12 06:11 PM

German Jet Ar-234 Makes No Sense
 
What the hell? :-? Who came up with that design. Backwards firing guns....nuff said.

HOW DO YOU USE BACKWARDS FIRING GUNS? :hmmm: :/\\!!

And what are those things that parachute off the wings as soon as you start?

This jet confuses me. :doh: I can only use it as a bomber. The gunsight is backwards and everything.

Useless. Even though, IIRC, the IL-2 1946 in-game description says its a recon plane.

Kptlt. Neuerburg 09-14-12 09:55 PM

Well the 234 is only ment to be used as a bomber. The backwards firing guns are only for defence which uses a periscope gunsite to aim. The parachute things are RATOs (Rocket Assisted Take-Off), basiclly little re-useable rocket motors that help with take-off. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ar-234

Cybermat47 09-14-12 10:35 PM

Actually, its one of my favourite aircraft. One of my best moments in IL2 sturmovik 1946 was shooting down a b17 in one of those.

Red October1984 09-15-12 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 1934498)
Actually, its one of my favourite aircraft. One of my best moments in IL2 sturmovik 1946 was shooting down a b17 in one of those.

Wow. A b-17. Better than what I've accomplished wit the 234.


As far as jets go, I'll take the Me-262HG-II with R4Ms. The 234 doesn't make sense to do other than bomb.

Oberon 09-15-12 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red October1984 (Post 1934610)
The 234 doesn't make sense to do other than bomb.

That might have a little to do with it being designed as a bomber. :yep:

Schroeder 09-15-12 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red October1984 (Post 1934610)
As far as jets go, I'll take the Me-262HG-II with R4Ms.

That thing existed on paper only and has never been build IIRC. That's why I don't like it. The Arado however did see action as a recon aircraft and bomber. It was never intended to be a fighter and therefore only has the defensive armament facing backwards.

Oberon 09-15-12 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schroeder (Post 1934625)
That thing existed on paper only and has never been build IIRC. That's why I don't like it. The Arado however did see action as a recon aircraft and bomber. It was never intended to be a fighter and therefore only has the defensive armament facing backwards.

Most pilots ditched the rear firing gun anyway since it was useless and just added weight...

Last German WWII recon flight over the UK was done by an Arado in April '45. We never even detected it! :doh:

Raptor1 09-15-12 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red October1984 (Post 1934610)
The 234 doesn't make sense to do other than bomb.

You mean it's useful for exactly what it was supposed to do, then? How incredible! I'm surprised Hitler didn't have the thing converted into a fighter mid-way into the design process...

As for the rear-firing guns, it was an attempt by Arado to fit defensive armaments on what is essentially a one-man aircraft. They were fairly useless, as you already know, and most pilots had the things removed to make the aircraft lighter.

EDIT: Dammit, Oberon!

Oberon 09-15-12 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raptor1 (Post 1934672)
EDIT: Dammit, Oberon!

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/8...emotivatio.jpg

Schroeder 09-15-12 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1934670)
Last German WWII recon flight over the UK was done by an Arado in April '45. We never even detected it! :doh:

That was because of the uber awesome secret stealth tech it had with it. Unfortunately the Nazis took it with them when they left for the dark side of the moon. So we won't hear the full story until they have returned.:cool:

Red October1984 09-15-12 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raptor1 (Post 1934672)
You mean it's useful for exactly what it was supposed to do, then? How incredible!

Yes. I do believe that it is good at what it was supposed to do. But I will take that crappy Russian heavy bomber (TB3 I think) that allows you to kill your own crew (try it, you can) over the Ar-234

I don't use jets a whole lot in IL-2. They seem too out of place. The real flying was done in P-40s, Bf-109s, and others of the sort.

Cybermat47 09-15-12 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1934670)

Last German WWII recon flight over the UK was done by an Arado in April '45. We never even detected it! :doh:

Are you sure? I've heard that it was taken off the frontline due to a lack of spare parts and fuel sometime at the beginning of 1945.

Though I'm sure that any recon flights over GB wouldn't be detected.

Cybermat47 09-15-12 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red October1984 (Post 1934774)
But I will take that crappy Russian heavy bomber (TB3 I think) that allows you to kill your own crew (try it, you can)

Mwah-ha-ha-ha-ha!


I love doing that.

Red October1984 09-15-12 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 1934784)
Mwah-ha-ha-ha-ha!


I love doing that.



Except now whichever ones you kill are dead. If you kill the pilot by (accident) shooting him, he's done for and so are you.

And that is a very slow, very crappy heavy bomber.....but it still has better guns than the 234. :cool:


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:31 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1995- 2024 Subsim®
"Subsim" is a registered trademark, all rights reserved.