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LGN1 02-14-16 02:24 PM

Hi gap,

absolutely great work :yeah:

I'm looking forward to seeing the finished launcher!

Best, LGN1

LGN1 02-14-16 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn (Post 2376826)
Where is the squid launcher on the destroyer ? I don't see it ...

I think it's the white object at the stern (starbord side). It looks to me like a single, three barrel, tilted squid for re-loading.

Best, LGN1

gap 02-14-16 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tomfon (Post 2380952)
Wow!:o

Great work, gap!!!!:sunny:

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Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn (Post 2380980)
This is just perfect mate. :yeah:

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Originally Posted by makman94 (Post 2381400)
thats ,absolutelly, wonderfull work here :yeah:

thank you Gap :up:

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Originally Posted by LGN1 (Post 2381500)
Hi gap,

absolutely great work :yeah:

I'm looking forward to seeing the finished launcher!

Best, LGN1

Thank you guys, I appreciate your support. It motivates me to keep on with this little project :)

I am already at a good point of the UV-mapping work. Finishing it will take a bit longer that it usually does though, because I need a non-overlapping UV channel if I want to use it both as diffuse and ambient occlusion map (for the reason I explained a few days ago). Arranging all the details of the model and making them to fit the UV-space takes time.

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Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn (Post 2380980)
Next part is the animation for the projectiles...

Well, I think SH's DC projectiles are animated automatically, based on where barrel nodes are placed on the thrower model, and on their rotation values. These on turn will depend on which kind of controller LGN1 will decide to use and, in last instance, on which combination will show more effective in game. As anticipated by LGN1 himself, some compromises will be required because the Squid mortar worked as a thriple K-gun under some respects, and as Hedgehog launcher under other respects, but we don't have a controller specific for it in game. :yep:

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Originally Posted by SquareSteelBar (Post 2381019)
The World According to Gap :yeah:

You are correct: this is just my interpretation of the real thing, as I had to judge many details and proportions by eye, based on the few, small pictures I had available. It took longer observing and comparing those photographs, than actually shaping the model. If not identical to the real squid launcher, I hope the model, once finished, will get close enough to it.

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby (Post 2381021)
The "squid pro quo" in this case!

LOL Aktungbby
:rotfl2:

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Originally Posted by LGN1 (Post 2381502)
I think it's the white object at the stern (starbord side). It looks to me like a single, three barrel, tilted squid for re-loading.

Best, LGN1

Yep, you are correct. Navweaps' caption is wrong in stating that that destroyer was fitted with two squids. It was just one on the stern and slightly to starboard :up:

gap 02-21-16 07:07 PM

Hi guys,
the new squid launcher is 99% ready :woot:

Since my last report, the following features were added to the model:
- UV coordinates for texture mapping;
- diffuse map;
- ambient occlusion map (overlayed on the diffuse).

https://i.imgur.com/1nTkYXg.png

https://i.imgur.com/cFaIMxT.png

Please note that the above previews were rendered using high resolution textures (6144x6144). Before release, I will resize them to a resolution more acceptable to our GPUs. For similar reasons, we might decide to reduce model's polygon count (current: 11,311 polygons, 17,356 edges, 6,411 vertices).

Besides optimizing model and maps for game usage and dat file editing, there is still a couple of maps I want to add:
- normal map (does anyone know if SHIII normal maps are greenish as SHIV ones?)
- specular map.

Stay tuned for updates :salute:

LGN1 02-22-16 02:24 PM

Great work, gap :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :up:

I'm looking forward to combining your model with my work!

Best, LGN1

Fahnenbohn 03-06-16 11:41 AM

No news here ?

gap 03-09-16 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn (Post 2387058)
No news here ?

Sorry for the delay Fahnenbohn, I have just sent a PM with attached files to LGN1 :salute:

LGN1 03-10-16 03:48 PM

Great news, gap!

I have just sent you a pm!

Cheers, LGN1

gap 03-11-16 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by LGN1 (Post 2388492)
Great news, gap!

I have just sent you a pm!

Cheers, LGN1

Thank you LGN1, I have read your pm. By the way, I took the liberty to advertise this project on the subsim FB channel: :03:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2599.../?notif_t=like

Fahnenbohn 03-12-16 03:45 AM

Did you manage to create the animations of the 3 charges thrown in the airs ?

gap 03-13-16 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn (Post 2388796)
Did you manage to create the animations of the 3 charges thrown in the airs ?

Charge animation will depend on how LGN1 will decide to set the squid launcher. If he will manage using the K-gun ccontrolle instead of the hedgehog one, there are good chances that the squid launcher can throw the right number of charges, and at the correct angles. In my model each of the three barrels has an elevation of 45 deg; the top and the bottom barrel are pointing right ahead, whereas the middle one has a rotation of ca. 6.5 deg on the vertical axis. Model bones should be set accordingly. The problem with k-guns is that they cant be used as forward-throwing weapons in game. If they are set like this, the AI can still fire them, but it wont hit amything. On the contrary, if the hedgehog controller is used, we lack control on the number of charges thrown, and we cannot set which trajectory each individual charge will follow :hmm2:

Fahnenbohn 03-13-16 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by gap (Post 2389131)
Charge animation will depend on how LGN1 will decide to set the squid launcher. If he will manage using the K-gun ccontrolle instead of the hedgehog one, there are good chances that the squid launcher can throw the right number of charges, and at the correct angles. In my model each of the three barrels has an elevation of 45 deg; the top and the bottom barrel are pointing right ahead, whereas the middle one has a rotation of ca. 6.5 deg on the vertical axis. Model bones should be set accordingly. The problem with k-guns is that they cant be used as forward-throwing weapons in game. If they are set like this, the AI can still fire them, but it wont hit amything. On the contrary, if the hedgehog controller is used, we lack control on the number of charges thrown, and we cannot set which trajectory each individual charge will follow :hmm2:

Yes, I understand. It's a big problem. In SH3, are the depth charges fired when the destroyer is above the submarine, or when the DC launcher is above it ? :hmm2:

tomfon 03-14-16 03:45 AM

I guess this is hard to tell since it depends on the destroyer's ability to determine the submarine's position correctly. It would be hard to know whether the destroyer has an accurate fix on the submarine.

:hmmm:

Maybe it doesn't depend on the relative position of the two vessels, at all. Could it be that the destroyer drops its depth charges a few seconds after it loses contact with the submarine?:hmm2:

gap 03-16-16 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn (Post 2389132)
Yes, I understand. It's a big problem. In SH3, are the depth charges fired when the destroyer is above the submarine, or when the DC launcher is above it ? :hmm2:

I see what you are getting at. This is an intetesting idea: if the game took thrower's and submarine's relative positions as reference for firing the DCs, we could move squid launcher's hardpoints (on the escort models) forward, and accordingly move throwers' nodes/meshes backwards. This way we could trick the game into using a k-gun as an hedgehog. Nonetheless, as noted by tomfon, it is possible that dc racks/k-gun's position on the ship are not considered at all. This can be discovered only by testing.

Fahnenbohn 03-16-16 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by gap (Post 2389797)
I see what you are getting at. This is an intetesting idea: if the game took thrower's and submarine's relative positions as reference for firing the DCs, we could move squid launcher's hardpoints (on the escort models) forward, and accordingly move throwers' nodes/meshes backwards. This way we could trick the game into using a k-gun as an hedgehog. Nonetheless, as noted by tomfon, it is possible that dc racks/k-gun's position on the ship are not considered at all. This can be discovered only by testing.

That's exactly what I mean.


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