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Fidd 11-20-2019 09:48 PM

Night too "light"?
 
One of the things that bothers me in game is the white superstructures and masts etc, shining brightly, even on the otherwise darkest night. This really needs toning down, so that the merchants are at brightest, a dark grey in full night=time illumination.

During the war, both aircraft and U-boats used to try and fire from up-moon (as it were) along the moon-path and towards the relatively illuminated ships, if the moon is providing illumination.

Personally I'd like to see different phases of the moon being possible as a configurable "difficulty" setting, and at the same time, the white superstructure colours greatly darkened. In this way, the usual observations of ship type, speed and heading can be made, but more easily done whilst the enemy ship is illuminated in the moon-path. Attempting to achieve this the other way would provide a good silhouette only....

Truly dark moonless nights would obviously cause problems for identifying ships etc, however, would also allow surfaced U-boats to attack at much shorter ranges.

This combination of improvements appeals to me as it will vary the tactics being applied to make use of the conditions that play-session, and therefore vary the experiences of players..

derstosstrupp 11-20-2019 10:47 PM

I second this. Night time needs fixing. The spotting range is too high, and yes the ships are too bright. Historical accounts describe surface shooting sometimes at dark shapes, and the U-boat commanderís handbook explicitly mentions how difficult estimating AOB is at night. Plus, once we can get reasonably close, as in 1000 m or less on a dark night, that will allow this very important tactic, the night surface attack, to be finally possible in the game.

VonHoffman 11-30-2019 06:33 PM

I third, fourth, and fifth this.

Night time is too light! It must be drastically darkened.

It seems the sim already accounts for visibility distance, but graphically it is far too bright.

Fidd 11-30-2019 10:59 PM

What I was driving at was the great contrast between the white-upper-works and masts etc, and the darkness behind. I figure if the dark was less dark, and the white of the ships much darker, then it would appear visually consistent.

As it is, the ships appear to be painted with luminous paint!

VonHoffman 11-30-2019 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fidd (Post 2638649)
What I was driving at was the great contrast between the white-upper-works and masts etc, and the darkness behind. I figure if the dark was less dark, and the white of the ships much darker, then it would appear visually consistent.

As it is, the ships appear to be painted with luminous paint!

Yes!

The visibility fog needs a tweak, too. The gradient is too steep. They should fade out sooner and more gradually, loosing contrast first.

There also seems to be a weird graphical artifact with smoke.

gurudennis 12-01-2019 11:45 PM

The ships are too bright indeed. I think Onkel is aware (we talked about it before) but whether the developers are treating it with priority is another matter. It's been broken for several patches now.

Conversely, the spotting range is fixed at least as of 0.20. In pitch black conditions you are only spotted at 200 m (!).

Fidd 12-02-2019 12:16 PM

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So here's the question, if the ship upper-works are more of an escort-grey - I attach a couple of admittedly black and white pictures my father took crossing the Atlantic during the war - where he was trained to fly before returning to the UK. These pictures are thought to have been taken circa February 1945. Note the very dilapidated appearance of the majority of ships, and the general, but not complete absence, of white upper-works.

A following reply will attach others. which I hope will be of some interest

Fidd 12-02-2019 12:18 PM

Hmm can't post remainder due some limit or other.

Pisces 12-02-2019 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Fidd (Post 2638831)
Hmm can't post remainder due some limit or other.

You can make picture albums and upload files to it. Keeps them in high res. Then post the link to it here. Check the User CP link at the top of the forum menu bar. 5 option down I think.

gurudennis 12-03-2019 04:09 AM

Amazing pictures, Fidd! Can almost touch the history there.

They do look very consistent with other wartime merchant ship pictures I've seen: grey and not particularly clean in appearance (but hopefully functional, as all equipment should be).



It's actually quite hard to find any pictures where wartime merchants would be sporting clean white paint on the superstructure. Nor can I see any examples of a black hull paint scheme like we see in Wolfpack.

I hope their appearance in the game is mostly a placeholder, hopefully to be replaced with more neatly textured models in coming patches.


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