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Fish 10-19-06 04:06 PM

Striking the US where it hurts
 
Part I:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/HJ19Ad01.html

Part 2:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/HJ20Ad01.html

Konovalov 10-19-06 04:29 PM

Interesting. So what's the good news? Is there a striking China where it hurts version?

Fish 10-19-06 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Konovalov
Interesting. So what's the good news? Is there a striking China where it hurts version?

I am pretty sure! :yep:

CB.. 10-19-06 04:57 PM

typical of America to assume that Russia would just roll over and play dead.(oops didn't any one bother to check?:oops: )..Russia just waits for winter then "re asserts" it self..China just plays tortoise and hare with the rest of world...Iran just does it's thorn in the side impersonation...

TteFAboB 10-19-06 05:01 PM

There's a bunch of surreal stuff in there.

I used to read these things back in the 60's from the books my communist comrades brought from China. Names change, targets change, some things are inflated, like the IT part which back then limited itself to Radio and phone lines, others apparently have been forgotten and then there are new toys like the super-anti-carrier missile. Back then they relied on infiltrated party saboteaurs to melt the reactor's core and explode the ammunition storages.

How about off-shoring Subsim as a joint-venture with the Chinese government? They have de-censored Wikipedia in English only but Subsim will be for external consumption only anyway. I see no problem in doing joint-ventures with the Chinese government. It's just business anyway. Why don't we start joint-ventures with the American government too?

Skybird 10-19-06 05:01 PM

I can't judge all the specific military technology details, but beside these, I can't agree more on the Brigadier's views. I never understood why so many Americans seem to see their nation and themselves as almost invulnerable. when when having pointed at this or that of their most obvious weaknesses, only laughter. Very likely that the others maybe will laugh last, but longer and louder. America seem to have a fetish for big clubs, firearms, violence and military. And exactly this probably will turn out to be it's Achilles heel.

Too bad that many Europeans share these self-deceptions when relying on the US umbrella - even today when the differences between both spheres become bigger, wider, and more and more turn into rivalries. That Europe plays it's own cards so badly, and the ridiculously low spendings in future-related preparation, including defence budgets, is something that costs me some sleep at nights.

If the US will collapse under it's own weight, it follow many examples of former global empires that went down for exactly this reason. With regard to Europe, we need to rethink about closer alliances with Russia. they have the resources, we have the technology, both make us ideal partners. Concerning Putin, I can only quote German correspondent legend Peter Scholl-Latour: "I have seen many dictators that were far, far worse."

They may be rivals in the global game, but one has to admire the style and calmness and unexcitement with which the Chinese play their cards and one by one pick up their advantages, even when being challenged. So much different than the Americans, or us Europeans. I think they will be winners of this game.

Coda 10-19-06 05:02 PM

If they really want to hit us where it hurts, they should gain control of our beer and cigarettes at convenience stores.

Wait a minute........... ah never mind.





They forgot point 11. Football. Not the game, the one the President carries.

ASWnut101 10-19-06 05:06 PM

That was problably one of the most dangerous times for the U.S. when the presidents left it. I don't remember which ones, but my god! You've got the key to the country's nuke arsenal and you leave it at a party! One waiter who cleaned up the mess after the party said he opened it, saw what was inside, and immediatly called the FBI........ Some people just can't be trusted with the country's well being, it seems.:nope:

SUBMAN1 10-19-06 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird
I can't judge all the specific military technology details, but beside these, I can't agree more on the Brigadier's views. I never understood why so many Americans seem to see their nation and themselves as almost invulnerable. when when having pointed at this or that of their most obvious weaknesses, only laughter. Very likely that the others maybe will laugh last, but longer and louder. America seem to have a fetish for big clubs, firearms, violence and military. And exactly this probably will turn out to be it's Achilles heel.

Too bad that many Europeans share these self-deceptions when relying on the US umbrella - even today when the differences between both spheres become bigger, wider, and more and more turn into rivalries. That Europe plays it's own cards so badly, and the ridiculously low spendings in future-related preparation, including defence budgets, is something that costs me some sleep at nights.

If the US will collapse under it's own weight, it follow many examples of former global empires that went down for exactly this reason. With regard to Europe, we need to rethink about closer alliances with Russia. they have the resources, we have the technology, both make us ideal partners. Concerning Putin, I can only quote German correspondent legend Peter Scholl-Latour: "I have seen many dictators that were far, far worse."

They may be rivals in the global game, but one has to admire the style and calmness and unexcitement with which the Chinese play their cards and one by one pick up their advantages, even when being challenged. So much different than the Americans, or us Europeans. I think they will be winners of this game.

You take to propoganda real easy I notice.

NEON DEON 10-19-06 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ASWnut101
That was problably one of the most dangerous times for the U.S. when the presidents left it. I don't remember which ones, but my god! You've got the key to the country's nuke arsenal and you leave it at a party! One waiter who cleaned up the mess after the party said he opened it, saw what was inside, and immediatly called the FBI........ Some people just can't be trusted with the country's well being, it seems.:nope:

Let the waiter carry it. He seems to be a reliable sort.;)

ASWnut101 10-19-06 05:51 PM

I know! :)

Coda 10-19-06 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASWnut101
That was problably one of the most dangerous times for the U.S. when the presidents left it. I don't remember which ones, but my god! You've got the key to the country's nuke arsenal and you leave it at a party! One waiter who cleaned up the mess after the party said he opened it, saw what was inside, and immediatly called the FBI........ Some people just can't be trusted with the country's well being, it seems.:nope:


I would have turned the key and pushed the buttons.

ASWnut101 10-19-06 05:56 PM

yeah, that was kind of my fantasy too......it would have been fun while it lasted, before the FBI came in and shot you....:yep: :cool:

Ducimus 10-19-06 05:56 PM

The LInked sites are funny to me because you'd swear to god they think they thought all that stuff up. Like the US woudlnt employ similar tactics or something. Id say the author is blindly overpatriotic to his home nation.

ASWnut101 10-19-06 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus
The LInked sites are funny to me because you'd swear to god they think they thought all that stuff up. Like the US woudlnt employ similar tactics or something. Id say the author is blindly overpatriotic to his home nation.

Theres nothing wrong with being overpatriotic, just blindly overpatriotic.

Like me. I wear a shirt that says "Patriotism: An American Tradition" that has a big american flag on it. I flaunt it infront of the Anti-Everything girl in my class. She hates me. Bad. She dosent even stand for the pledge! That pissed off a few in class, including me, but nothing we can do about it. They refer to the types as "emo-goths." She says she hates saying the pledge because she thinks others are trying to press their ideals and values into her. *I'm starting to get mad just writing this* I feel like putting an American flag on her desk, glued on. :nope:

fredbass 10-19-06 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ASWnut101
I'm starting to get mad just writing this* I feel like putting an American flag on her desk, glued on. :nope:

Well.... what you waiting for? :up:

ASWnut101 10-19-06 06:23 PM

Well, doing so will get me a referral, which means no field trips, extracurricular activities, ect.:nope:

Tell me thats not PC bullpoo....

fredbass 10-19-06 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ASWnut101
Well, doing so will get me a referral, which means no field trips, extracurricular activities, ect.:nope:

Tell me thats not PC bullpoo....

Well you're supposed to do it when noone is watching, silly. :know:

P.S. Don't blame me if you get caught. :shifty:

Ducimus 10-19-06 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ASWnut101
Theres nothing wrong with being overpatriotic,

I think there is. I wont go into a long essay about it. Suffice to say, growing up in the regan era, i was overpatrotic to say the least. I remember a vietnam vet i knew at the time telling me, That there wasnt anything wrong with being patrotic, but being overpatrotic is bad and you dont want to be that way. He served his country and was proud of it. Coming from a type of person i idolzed at the time i coudlnt understand what made him say that. I was taken aback by it. Having grown older, and later enlisting like i knew i always would, and served for 7 years, having been to variou parts in the world, i finally understood what he was talking about.

Can't quite put it into words to explain it, and trying to would be a waste of time; as It woudlnt change anyones perspective on patrotism anyway.

Coda 10-19-06 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by fredbass
P.S. Don't blame me if you get caught. :shifty:

Don't be surprised when he gets caught, it becomes a world headline, after Skybird writes a 20 page dissertation on how forums are failing the world, then he sues you for giving him advice making him get caught.

Then the school systems outlaw students from participating in forums because they get bad advice that gets them caught, Al Gore does a mini-series on how forums are destroying the planet, the UN passes sanctions against Subsim.com barring them from trade with uncivilized nations and North korea decides to nuke Houston because it's where Subsim started.

See what you caused? You should be more careful.


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