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SUBMAN1 10-18-06 02:57 PM

Some thoughts to ponder...
 
Reading up on the original Wolfenstein 3D (Yes, the one from 1993. I found out today that RTCW 2 will be out next year too!!!), I came across this letter. Weird to be reading about a game to stumble across this, but she does make a point

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Honorable Senators Clinton and Schumer,
Washington, DC 20510

I am a registered Democrat, grandmother, a Family Health Nurse Practitioner of many years, and a life-long resident of New York State.

I have a pistol license in Suffolk County, New York. I strictly adhere to all the laws that are required with this privilege.

I need you to realize, as my representatives, the importance of my Constitutionally guaranteed right to own firearms.

In a post 9-11 world, I realized the community at large must be prepared to locally defend their fellow countrymen. Many of my fellow Democrats have realized this as well.

On a national scale, we depend upon the Armed Forces. Locally, we depend upon the municipal police departments.

Neither can be activated on a moment's notice.

Years ago in nursing school, and again today in the community health milieu, the phrase "An Ounce of Prevention is Worth a Pound of Cure" rings true; never more so than now.

A well-prepared citizenry, capable of prudent and timely response, is imperative for the protection of all Americans.

Millions of Americans have this right and privilege. I noticed a strong representation of War Veterans attending Second Amendment conferences.

They above all understand the importance of preparation and deterrence. We need to maintain our Constitutionally-guaranteed ability to protect America and Americans. Terrorism is a fact of life in a shrinking world.

My life has been dedicated to saving the lives of others. That hasn't changed.

What has changed is my perspective on how to accomplish that while in the face of an imminent, terrorist threat.

Thank you. I respectfully hope you will consider this opinion with due seriousness and vote accordingly to protect your constituents' lives and freedom.

Sincerely,

Jeanne R., RN, MS, FNP-BC
Westhampton Beach, New York

SkvyWvr 10-19-06 01:10 PM

I think I'm in love.;)

SUBMAN1 10-19-06 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SkvyWvr
I think I'm in love.;)

Sounds good until you get to the part about her being a democrat. ;)

-S

SkvyWvr 10-19-06 01:29 PM

Don't feed her for awhile and she'll come around.:lol:

Fish 10-19-06 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SkvyWvr
Don't feed her for awhile and she'll come around.:lol:

Is that how you threat your granny's? :hmm:

SUBMAN1 10-19-06 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish
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Originally Posted by SkvyWvr
Don't feed her for awhile and she'll come around.:lol:

Is that how you threat your granny's? :hmm:

That's right - she is a grandmother!!! Are you still in love??? :D

-S

Tchocky 10-19-06 03:56 PM

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In a post 9-11 world, I realized the community at large must be prepared to locally defend their fellow countrymen. Many of my fellow Democrats have realized this as well.
I'd like to see this backed up with examples of citizens using firearms to defend their fellow countrymen in a post-9/11 world.

SUBMAN1 10-19-06 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky
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In a post 9-11 world, I realized the community at large must be prepared to locally defend their fellow countrymen. Many of my fellow Democrats have realized this as well.
I'd like to see this backed up with examples of citizens using firearms to defend their fellow countrymen in a post-9/11 world.

Get NRA magazine. Better yet, Google it! Happens daily over here against the criminal type.

-S

Tchocky 10-19-06 04:01 PM

Fair enough, but she's window-dressing it by using "post-9/11". What exactly changed, in the day-to-day interactions, as regards guns?

Now that I think about it, I wonder if she takes it to the logical conclusion of compulsory guns on aircraft, each passenger must carry a gun....

TteFAboB 10-19-06 04:42 PM

She doesn't trust the government, anything "compulsory" is out of her logic.

Yahoshua 10-19-06 05:52 PM

If I recall, firearms sales surged dramatically after 9/11.

The surge has lessened somewhat, but sales are still strong, and CWP applications have risen by astronomical rates here in the U.S.

SUBMAN1 10-19-06 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Yahoshua
If I recall, firearms sales surged dramatically after 9/11.

The surge has lessened somewhat, but sales are still strong, and CWP applications have risen by astronomical rates here in the U.S.

9/11 didn't do it for me. i think it was Katrina that prompted me to go ahead and get my first assault rifle. The reason? Armed thugs running around killing and raping people. Now we know what happens when it all goes to hell and a handbasket.

I also got a CWP, but to tell you the truth, I never carry anything. Only time I carry is when I am protecting my rifles - ie. transporting them, or heading out into the wilderness. Never know what kind of weirdos you might find out there. Other than that, the CWP just gives me more freedom, such as not having to go point A to point B when transporting a gun of some sort. Without it, you must be traveleing to or from your place of business/home or to from place where you are shooting/home.

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ASWnut101 10-19-06 06:59 PM

me parent carry one everywhere they go. I tell him "paranoia will destroy ya`" but after certain events (Katrina, Recent Kidnappings in area, ect.) I have no problem with him carring one. maby I should get one too.....

Bort 10-19-06 07:05 PM

Wow, I sure feel safer with gun toting super nurse grandma around...:roll:
This isn't an argument in favor of gun ownership, it's an argument against rational thought.

SUBMAN1 10-19-06 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by *[FOX]* Bort
Wow, I sure feel safer with gun toting super nurse grandma around...

I do.

ASWnut101 10-19-06 07:09 PM

mee too. Especially if shes an Ex-Marine.

Yahoshua 10-19-06 10:13 PM

assault rifle

Grammar Nazi activated:

assault rifle

1.A military rifle capable of both automatic and semiautomatic fire, utilizing an intermediate-power cartridge.


Unless your firearms are capable of F/A and Semi-Auto firing, it is NOT an assault rifle.

The more correct term is that it would be a civilian version of a current or former service rifle.

Grammar Nazi deactivated:

"paranoia will destroy ya`"

A paranoid man thinks people are after him. A prepared man knows people are after him.

But even if you're not paranoid, you still have enemies. And with the Supreme Court decision issued in Castle Rock vs. Gonzales and other cases, it'd be a good idea to carry concealed.

My reasoning being that a criminal will be deterred by the fear that his victim could be carrying a firearm. Open carry isn't going to do any good unless you're a LEO, a soldier, or with a group of people out at the shooting range.

And if you haven't taken a self-defense course (Kybher Intl. is an EXCELLENT company), I strongly recommend you take one. Not only would you be more prepared to defend yourself but you'd also be able to defend others as well. It's also important to remember that violence is the LAST resort. One must always (if possibly) attmept to defuse a potentially violent situation (read: no knives or threats involved yet) before resorting to use of your firearm to end the situation.

Bort, whaddya mean that it's not in favor of firearm ownership but an argument against rational thought? Are you referring to the article?

SUBMAN1 10-19-06 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Yahoshua
assault rifle

Grammar Nazi activated:

assault rifle

1.A military rifle capable of both automatic and semiautomatic fire, utilizing an intermediate-power cartridge....


That might be a German definition version. The ATF here in the US has an additional definition:

I think you got that def from this page that also includes a #2.:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/assault%20rifle

assault rifle

1.a military rifle capable of both automatic and semiautomatic fire, utilizing an intermediate-power cartridge.
2.a nonmilitary weapon modeled on the military assault rifle, usu. modified to allow only semiautomatic fire.

Here is another def for it:

assault rifle
n.
Any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles designed for individual use in combat.

Yahoshua 10-19-06 10:27 PM

Not many troopers use bolt-action "assault rifles" in combat today while charging enemy held positions.

That was my primary point. And when did the ATF change their definition of "Assault Rifle" ? I must've missed that somewhere.

I also prefer to shy away from that term because of the "Antis'". Ya know, their whole "justification" thing for the children and all.

SUBMAN1 10-19-06 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Yahoshua
Not many troopers use bolt-action "assault rifles" in combat today while charging enemy held positions.

That was my primary point. And when did the ATF change their definition of "Assault Rifle" ? I must've missed that somewhere.

I also prefer to shy away from that term because of the "Antis'". Ya know, their whole "justification" thing for the children and all.

I understand. I personally don't care since if I had to be shot and had the choice of being shot with an 'Assault Rifle' over a 'Shotgun', give me the rifle!!! The reason is, they are designed to kill more than they are designed to wound. Takes 2 people off the Battlefield - medic and wounded soldier is the mentallity. Last statistic I saw (based on AK-47) is that you have a 76% chance of living from being hit even multiple times, but when 12 guage buckshot was used, your chances dropped to 30%. Of course, the Assault rifle can deal with multiple people a lot better due to its high capacity mag, so there are always trade off's.

Anyway, if you dig through the ATF site, you can find mention of semi-automatic Assault rifles all the time. Here is one:

(C7) What records am I required to forward to ATF upon discontinuance of my business?[Back]
The records consist of the licensee's bound acquisition/disposition (A/D) records, ATF Forms 4473, ATF Forms 3310.4 (Report of Multiple Sale or Other Disposition of Pistols and Revolvers), ATF Forms 3310.11 (Federal Firearms Licensee Theft/Loss Report), records of transactions in semiautomatic assault weapons, records of importation (ATF Forms 6 and 6A), and law enforcement certification letters. If the licensee was granted a variance to use a computerized record-keeping system, the licensee is required to provide a complete printout of the entire A/D records.
[27 CFR 478.127]

Here it is based on the now expired ban. These paragraphs are too long, so I won't post them in detail, but you get the idea:

O. SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS AND LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES (SAWs and LCAFDs)


(O1) What was the semiautomatic assault weapon (SAW) ban? [Back]


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