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FERdeBOER 10-12-06 11:23 AM

What navies do when a hurricane comes?
 
Maybe this should be posted in the "General" forum but, in my opinion is too general and I don't want this post to be buried between other related to football, George Bush, etc.

I'm going to do a work for the university and I would like it to be about what the Navies do when a hurricane (or tropical storm) comes.

Do they send the ships to open sea? Do they protect the ships and subs (and planes, helos... ) in drydocks and/or hangars?
How they face the possible destructions on the Naval bases?
And, when the hurricane leaves the area, what do they do then? As far as I know, the storm are so strong that the seafloor in shallow waters may change, and I think this is very important near naval bases, doesn't it?

I will greatly apreciated comments or just links.

Thank you very much for Your time and help. :up:

Oberon 10-12-06 12:07 PM

Generally, I believe, any ships that are seaworthy put to sea where the swells are generally easier to ride out, and there's more room to move. Subs have the easier job, just get as deep as they can to ride it out...but the swells can sometimes be as strong as to affect subs at depth.
Shipping that can't go is probably either towed or just battened down like crazy.

Goat 10-12-06 01:08 PM

Get underway... get out to sea where there are no others doing the same thing...bow INTO the seas... Ahead One Third... or just enough to maintain steerage-way [to KEEP the bow into the seas]... If it is bad enough, go to Condition Zebra... all hatches and doors dogged down tight. Hang on. Stuff outside the superstructure may carry away, but inside will be fine. Depends upon the size of the ship. I knew a guy on a CVA [aircraft carrier] who was in a typhoon bad enough to curl up the front of the flight deck, and HE slept through it! DD's [destroyers] are not so lucky.

SkvyWvr 10-12-06 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FERdeBOER
Maybe this should be posted in the "General" forum but, in my opinion is too general and I don't want this post to be buried between other related to football, George Bush, etc.

I'm going to do a work for the university and I would like it to be about what the Navies do when a hurricane (or tropical storm) comes.

Do they send the ships to open sea? Do they protect the ships and subs (and planes, helos... ) in drydocks and/or hangars?
How they face the possible destructions on the Naval bases?
And, when the hurricane leaves the area, what do they do then? As far as I know, the storm are so strong that the seafloor in shallow waters may change, and I think this is very important near naval bases, doesn't it?

I will greatly apreciated comments or just links.

Thank you very much for Your time and help. :up:

They call in all personnel to secure the base. All aircraft evacuate and all ships able to sail leave port as stated by another post. Hell of a ride on a cruiser. I rode out Hurrcanes Hugo and Andrew and left Hong Kong ahead of schedule pecause of Typhoons.

Goat 10-12-06 02:04 PM

Try it in a 'Can.... :D

sonar732 10-12-06 02:12 PM

I remember seeing a picture of a submarine in Charleston that was purposely sunk pierside because they couldn't get out to see in time before Hugo came.

Henson 10-12-06 04:37 PM

We leave.

Those on sea duty leave with the boat, and the ones on shore duty get about a two hour heads up on evacuation orders so we can get a head start.

Driftwood 10-12-06 08:04 PM

Had the priviledge of touring the DDG USS Higgins (deck tour only) last weekend during Fleet Week in SF. Can't imagine what it must be like riding out a hurricane/typhoon in one of those ships.......:doh: Especially after watching The Perfect Storm!

SkvyWvr 10-13-06 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goat
Try it in a 'Can.... :D

A Ticonderoga crusier is nothing but a heavy can.:yep:

Seadawg23 10-13-06 07:36 AM

Well, given enuff warning which in todays age is almost common. Out to sea and get the hell outta the way. My friend on the Uss Truman sailed north when a hurricanne came thru in 2003 i think it was. Up to maine. Most ships try to leave the area within three to four days of it nearing the coast.

As far as, shore based. Nas Oceana here. We rode it out. was not that bad of a storm. Hurricane wise. The next day was clean up time. I found it funny as hell. We were out sweeping WET Leaves off the concrete with push brooms...that works like a lead balloon. And of course moving sandbags etc etc.

if it is bad enough the base personnel will get moved inshore. As for the planes they head away. All our jets went to Kansas and Oklahoma. USAF bases to ride it out.

Kapitan 10-13-06 07:48 AM

Smaller the ship the bigger the problem god help them guys on tugs and smaller vessels.

FERdeBOER 10-15-06 05:06 PM

Thank you, guys, very interesting information. :up: :up:

Is allways a pleasure to ask things here.

ASWnut101 10-15-06 07:52 PM

heres a question for Kapitan (and him only):p


1.Which is faster: Alpha Class or Seawolf
2.Which carries more nukes(total in each missle combined): Typhoon or Ohio
3.Why does Russia have so many active types of subs?
4.What is the diameter of an Ohio's prop?
5.Which american submarine was attacked by a polar bear?

Answer right and you get a cookie!

P.S. no googling or searchengineing

for the rest of you:

1.which is longer, Kilo or Kilo improved?
2.How many active Spruance DD's are there in american service?
3.How many propellor blades does a Nimitz CVN have on each prop

ps. NO GOOGLEING OR SEARCHENGINEING!!!

FIRST TO GET COORECT GETS A CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIE!

SeaQueen 10-15-06 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASWnut101
1.which is longer, Kilo or Kilo improved?

The improved one is slightly longer, I believe.

Quote:

2.How many active Spruance DD's are there in american service?
None any more. They sure did some neat things with them while they were still around. One of the fascinating things to me about ships, is how soon after they're built, they usually start modifying ships, so that they all have the baseline, but then there's all kinds of weird things on top of it. In that sense, each ship is unique.

Quote:

3.How many propellor blades does a Nimitz CVN have on each prop
Five blades each. Do I get a cookie? I'm hungry.

Kapitan 10-16-06 12:24 AM

1Which is faster: Alpha Class or Seawolf
2.Which carries more nukes(total in each missle combined): Typhoon or Ohio
3.Why does Russia have so many active types of subs?
4.What is the diameter of an Ohio's prop?
5.Which american submarine was attacked by a polar bear?

Al'fa is the faster submarine however the top speed of the seawolf has never been released so this no one knows apart from the people who serve on it.

With the SALT treatys the ohio does 240 warheads the typhoon 200, but the typhoon can carry 14 warheads on each missile which means a total of 280 can be carried if pushed.

Because they do not have one single type of multi role submarine, for example the Oscar is designed to engauge surface contacts while the akula is designed to engauge submarines.

Ohio's prop id immagine around 16 feet but thats a guess

And the polar bear i have no clue

ASWnut101 10-16-06 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeaQueen
Quote:

Originally Posted by ASWnut101
1.which is longer, Kilo or Kilo improved?

The improved one is slightly longer, I believe.

Quote:

2.How many active Spruance DD's are there in american service?
None any more. They sure did some neat things with them while they were still around. One of the fascinating things to me about ships, is how soon after they're built, they usually start modifying ships, so that they all have the baseline, but then there's all kinds of weird things on top of it. In that sense, each ship is unique.

Quote:

3.How many propellor blades does a Nimitz CVN have on each prop
Five blades each. Do I get a cookie? I'm hungry.

Here you go: http://www.solomonscookies.com/gfx/c...olate_chip.jpg

ASWnut101 10-16-06 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kapitan
1Which is faster: Alpha Class or Seawolf
2.Which carries more nukes(total in each missle combined): Typhoon or Ohio
3.Why does Russia have so many active types of subs?
4.What is the diameter of an Ohio's prop?
5.Which american submarine was attacked by a polar bear?

Al'fa is the faster submarine however the top speed of the seawolf has never been released so this no one knows apart from the people who serve on it.

With the SALT treatys the ohio does 240 warheads the typhoon 200, but the typhoon can carry 14 warheads on each missile which means a total of 280 can be carried if pushed.

Because they do not have one single type of multi role submarine, for example the Oscar is designed to engauge surface contacts while the akula is designed to engauge submarines.

Ohio's prop id immagine around 16 feet but thats a guess

And the polar bear i have no clue

oooh, almost had it!

heres the answers:

1. what Kapitan said
2.It was 16 per missile without SALT, allowing 384 M.I.R.V.'s (you did your math wrong!)
3.Good answer, just a personal question
4.Your guess is as good as mine
5. I new it! (more at the bottom)
-------
1.Correct K: 63m K-I: 72.6m
2.Correct 0 Spruance DD's left!
3.Correct 5 on each prop


About the Polar Bear: SSN-22 (Seawolf class)

near the north pole.....

During the ICEX 2003 naval exercises near the North Pole, USS CONNECTICUT was stalked and "attacked" by a "hostile" polar bear when the submarine poked its sail and rudder through the ice.

The damage to CONNECTICUT's rudder was reported to be minor.

http://navysite.de/ssn/ssn22_bear1.jpg

http://navysite.de/ssn/ssn22_bear2.jpg

http://navysite.de/ssn/ssn22_bear3.jpg

swimsalot 10-16-06 06:45 PM

While at NAS Pensacola back in the late 8-'s we had a few storms coem thru. All planes went North a couple days before. Other personnel satyed, dotn't know whaty they did. Went thru a few storms in the Pacific on a CVN (Carl Vinson), wasn't too bad. But landing back on deck was pretty intersting...

FERdeBOER 10-22-06 05:24 AM

Thank you vey mucho for your answers.
I've got another question: what happens next? If the planes go to safe zones, the ships to open sea and the subs to deep waters... They must return as quickly as they can once the hurrican passes, doesn't they? If not, the base will be unprotected.
But returning too soon may be very dangerous...

Kapitan 10-22-06 05:31 AM

I would have thought they would return ASAP to help with the clear up operation, and also they would probably take it more cautiously when entering the harbours or they would sit just outside and leave a skellington crew onboard.


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