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Immacolata 10-04-06 04:36 AM

Whiz Wheel links seem dead - where can I find a printable template?
 
I want to try printing out my own whiz wheel for speedy calculation of AOB. I read several threads with printable AOB whiz wheel you can cut out and staple together. But the links are dead. Anyone got a fresh link?

SteamWake 10-04-06 12:55 PM

Hes right the link is 404.

In the meantime here is a very helpful thread for you to browse.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=88961

Immacolata 10-05-06 05:25 AM

There are no one who knows of a printable whiz wheel template? I really wish my AOB'ing went a bit faster and I think only a whiz wheel can solve that problem for me.

CybaGirl 10-05-06 08:27 AM

I might have that whiz wheel archived somewhere.. I will have a look for you and see if I can find it :).

If I can find it will post another reply here with a link in which you can get it from :).

CybaGirl 10-05-06 08:44 AM

Ok I think I found it after going through my hard drives :).

Here is an image of what I have.

http://www.cybagirl.com/sh3/sh3_ref.jpg


As you can see there is a compass at the top which you cut out and another part at the bottom that you attach the compass to via one of those.. Hmmm metal do hicky pins.

BTW the whole thing is there. Its just I couldnt get it all on screen for you.

But if this is what you are after you can download it from here.

http://www.cybagirl.com/sh3/sh3_ref.zip

Anyway hope this is what you are after :).

FIREWALL 10-05-06 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CybaGirl
Ok I think I found it after going through my hard drives :).

Here is an image of what I have.

http://www.cybagirl.com/sh3/sh3_ref.jpg


As you can see there is a compass at the top which you cut out and another part at the bottom that you attach the compass to via one of those.. Hmmm metal do hicky pins.

BTW the whole thing is there. Its just I couldnt get it all on screen for you.

But if this is what you are after you can download it from here.

http://www.cybagirl.com/sh3/sh3_ref.zip

Anyway hope this is what you are after :).

Thanks Cybagirl I wanted one too ! :up: :up:

Immacolata 10-05-06 12:12 PM

Thats not it however?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...earingtext.jpg

Immacolata 10-06-06 02:11 AM

bump somone have to be in possession of the whiz wheel template?

danlisa 10-06-06 05:25 AM

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...earingtext.jpg

I could enlarge and fix this copy for you. I won't be pretty but it will see you through until someone posts the original.

TarJak 10-06-06 05:46 AM

Immacolata,

I found it on my PC and have uploaded it to filefront: http://files.filefront.com//;5980786;;/

Cavalier888 deserves all the credit for the work. I hope he doesn't mind me posting it there for others to see. I think I got it from U-boot.RealSimulation whose download database is not operational at the moment.

Immacolata 10-06-06 06:32 AM

I guess its a start. I wonder if he was unable to find any LOWER resolution than this pixelated horror. I saw a really snazzy flash version at some point. I wonder why such things are allowed to disappear. Oh well. Ive printed them however and now I must learn how they work. Thanks for your help, they should save me precious seconds when calculating AOB.


Danlisa I dont think it will work. You need the three pieces separate and printed out then you pin them on top of each other.

TarJak 10-06-06 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Immacolata
Ive printed them however and now I must learn how they work. Thanks for your help, they should save me precious seconds when calculating AOB.

This is the only one I've seen. I recall using a much better one than this when I was playing the original SH, but that was another machine which is on the scrap heap now.

There is a tutorial .doc file in the zip. It's pretty straightforward.

danlisa 10-06-06 06:42 AM

@ Immacolata

3 x selection circles, 3 x cut to separate layers. Create a new document. Drag + drop 3 x layers into new document.

This can be done easily with Photoshop:know:

However, I won't be able to do much about the red line.

Immacolata 10-06-06 06:47 AM

Yeah I read the tutorial. Seems okay. I just wonder why - on subsim all places of the world - that a really useful thing like the whiz wheel, can disappear into nothingness! And that the only example anyone can find is a 6 year old project that looks like it was made in MS Paint. Sigh. But it seems to work. I just need some cardboard to tack the two wheels on.

How do all the hardcore sh3 players do their AOB? Use the protractor I guess. But it is so inaccurate, you have a few seconds to enter your AOB using the horrible method of SH3, and the data is already then inaccurate.

Danlisa, do you think this wheel works better than the other two wheels? Never mind the red line.

TarJak 10-06-06 06:56 AM

Dunno where it got to. I was pretty surprised as when I got SHIII I looked high and low for my trusty old SH1 wheel but couldn't find it. This was the best I could find and right now I use it for my AOB calcs. Not easy in "redlight" conditions as the images are not too flash. I tried using the protractor and it just doesn't cut it as the mouse doesn't give you the accuracy you need.

Immacolata 10-06-06 07:06 AM

Ok tarjak, but I just dont understand why you need 2 wheels. The one danlisa links to is just one?

I noticed in another thread that Redwine has made a pack of pdfs that can be printed. But the rapidshare link he put them at disappeared.

danlisa 10-06-06 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Immacolata
Danlisa, do you think this wheel works better than the other two wheels? Never mind the red line.

The only issue with this wheel is that the outer ring doesn't have any degree segments so a little guess work is involved.

Just looked at this again,
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...earingtext.jpg
are you sure it should be 3 wheels?

Quote from image "Align 0 with target course bearing on middle dial. Bearing to target on inner dial indicates AoB on outer dial"

Does this mean once you have input the targets course, the bearing shown in your scope, while looking at the target, (say 050 degrees) means that the AoB is 160 ish starboard. If you go by the picture above.

TarJak 10-06-06 07:22 AM

The 2 wheels are for course and speed. One wheel gives the AOB the 2nd is a slide rule to convert timed observations into speed and vice versa.

There is a flash wheel at: http://www.spidermine.com/SHIII/wheel.swf
Dunno if this helps any It certainly looks better, but I think you'd struggle to use it with the time you usually have and as it's not integrated it would be a pain in the backside to keep flipping to whenever you wanted to do the calc.

Immacolata 10-06-06 07:30 AM

I am not sure, because we have no original files to experiment with.

The whiz wheel should take your own bearing to target, that is, the angle revelaed by the periscope when you lock on the target.

The whiz wheel should also have a dial for the targets compass course. The difference between targets course and your bearing to target somehow makes up the AOB. lets say

Target travels at 270 (west). Your bearing is 0 to north. a perfect angular shot. If you subtact 360 from 270 you end up with -90. If you subtract 90 from 270 you end up with 180. The aob should be -90 for this shot or 180 if you want.

Let us imagine the ship travels the other way, from NY to London it has a course of 90 compass.

You look at the ship from bearing 5 and your own course is 180.

To me it looks like AOB on this scenario that the ship is not yet passed your perfect 90 angle shot. Your AOB in this moment should then be -95 or 175?

To me it looks like you also need compass directions on the whiz wheel because AOB is dependent on your own compass orientation as well.

[edit] hey thanks for the link. I now can see it. In my 2nd example the AOB to target is -95 indeed. The problem with this 2 dial wheel is that the outer wheel lacks marks for each degree. But I wonder why some wheels have 3 dials then? What is the last dial used for calculating?

TarJak 10-06-06 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Immacolata
I am not sure, because we have no original files to experiment with.

The whiz wheel should take your own bearing to target, that is, the angle revelaed by the periscope when you lock on the target.

The whiz wheel should also have a dial for the targets compass course. The difference between targets course and your bearing to target somehow makes up the AOB. lets say

Target travels at 270 (west). Your bearing is 0 to north. a perfect angular shot. If you subtact 360 from 270 you end up with -90. If you subtract 90 from 270 you end up with 180. The aob should be -90 for this shot or 180 if you want.

Let us imagine the ship travels the other way, from NY to London it has a course of 90 compass.

You look at the ship from bearing 5 and your own course is 180.

To me it looks like AOB on this scenario that the ship is not yet passed your perfect 90 angle shot. Your AOB in this moment should then be -95 or 175?

To me it looks like you also need compass directions on the whiz wheel because AOB is dependent on your own compass orientation as well.

Quite right hence the need for 3 discs on the AOB whiz wheel.


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