french and terroism
 

well boys the terroists have now declared war against france who thought that its policy of not getting involved would spare them any problems , this is a major slap in the face of all those who have said they are coming after the US/UK because we got involved in iraq and afganistan , these non humans (my opinion ) need no such excuses to attack anyone and now france has finally learned a hard truth and so have the protestors who thought we brought this on our selves time to grow up foolish people and smell the salt

The whole occidental world is tainted in the eyes of the fundamentalists. Much of the middle east world as well, judging by the insurgents we have seen in many Northafrican countries, Iraq, arabia. Bombs will blow up all over the world whenever beady eyed self-proclaimed jihadists decides that it shall be so. Eedjits :damn:

The French ARE involved in many places. The very frequently sent their command's around (especialy to Africa) to kick-the-ass of some dictator or to recue some Kapitalis Comrades. Opportunity enough for them to make many enemies.

France knew that eventually it would have hit them, they only tried to be polite until now because France as the biggest muslim community in all of Europe, and it would have been imprudent to do otherwise. I don't blame them for their passed behavior.

It must be an old slap in the face , since US and UK have been under the terrorists eye since the 70's and beyond, nothing new here.


Do you have any links on what you proclaim, any official stuff from news source?

I posted this elsewhere: Al-Qaeda 'issues France threat'.

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.'
- Winston Churchill

Then how did you post that message :lol:

I don't know. These things magically happen all by themselves. :doh:

We'll see how France deals with their internal Muslims.

It is true that the USA has a rather large Muslim population. But many of these Muslims are mere caricatures of a real Muslim. I saw on the TV the other day a Muslim woman defending the Pope who also labeled herself as a feminist.

It is also true that most of these "lesser" Muslims don't open their mouth or organize against their fundamentalist brothers. We shouldn't demand an equal response though because what we see in the Middle East is only possible because there's alot of people with nothing to do there, alot of money to hand out to the protesters, and to be fair hardly anyone transmitting the truth and instead hiding information and lying. Raise, moderate, even if not equally to the brothers in dar-al-Islam.

Will Democracy, the Law, the non-Muslims, become hostage to the internal Muslims? Will the silent majority become hostage to a noisy minority? The same Islamists who built this highly organized protesting network in the Muslim world are also trying to export a franchise to France & beyond.

Americans should take advantage of their Americanized Muslims and turn them against the fundamenalists and traditional moderates. Do not let them gain any more ground.

Down with CAIR, deport these people to Somalia today.

CAIR is just one of many tools.

We don't care about this menace, France and terrorism is a long history, the fight against terrorsim didn't begin the 09/11/2001, make some search on the web before opening your mouth.:down:
The first attack in the french soil 1974, 1983 attack on the french FMSB HQ in beyrouth (53 deads), 1986, a wave of attack from the libanese Georges Ibrahim Abdallah (11 deads in Paris), 1994 airplane highjack (assault of the GIGN, all terrorrists dead, this plane was planned to hit the Effeil Tower), ..... and there were alot of others.
France made a fight againts terrorism mainly using his Special Forces (there are +200 in Afghanistan) and secret services, if you think ypu could destroy them using GI and Air Force only you are wrong, the French politic is : 'terrorising the terrorists' using the same method (assasination, car blow, ...) we kill a lot of them outside the french soil and arrest some other (Carlos the Chacal for example).

Chirac calls for threat of Iran sanctions to be lifted.

Brave France!

Give me an exmaple of UN sanction that force a country to stop anything, you try with North Korea, Irak and other and what was the result?.
Governement dindn't care about UN sanction and this is the poeple of those country who suffer and then support their gvt by the way (this is just improve the Nationalism).
So before voting an another useless UN sanction we can try to speak then if ther is not response, time to make a UN vote and get an another useless text.

Yes he is a very brave man pin a load of medals on him so he can flog them on ebay. :lol:

Here's what I mean when I say Islamists want to export their organized gangs to France & wherever else:

http://www.expatica.com/actual/artic...story_id=33211

Gang in french city exist from more than 30 years (thanks to the US TV show for that). Sunday 5 of the aggressors were arrested after police raid (more than 200 policmens) on this city. They were well know from the police (DNA and fingerprint were found on the car of the injured policemen).
At this time there is no connection between this incident and AQ or any islamic organisation.

Then surely, all you now need to do is broadcast reruns of SWAT to resolve the problems. :roll:
Yet even Le Monde is not towing the state party line any more, in articles like this:

Violences et banlieues : le cri d'alarme du préfet du "9-3" (Violence and suburbs: the cry of alarm from the "9-3" prefect)

C'est bon, non?

Can't help but agree with you completely on this, as well as what you said above about terrorism not having been invented on 9/11 as so many seem to think and act as though it was, and also agree that the only effective way to fight terrorism is with police, intel, and special forces - and not regular armies, airforce, and cruise missles. And even then, with the right tools (police, intel, etc) we are still only fighting the symptoms but we are at least doing that much effectively and not making it any worse.

That is what is so wrong with both the US and Israeli approach to terrorism, though the Israelis at least have more experience with it, their methods have accomplished zero in the last 70 years while in the meantime, by their own admission, in having spent so many years doing little else besides harrassing old women at check points and bulldozing homes, their combat readiness and effectiveness had become so diminished that even they admit that their "elite" military units got their asses handed to them by the overwhelmingly numerically and technologically inferior Hezbollah "army" as soon as the ground war began (and this despite several weeks of softening them up with an intensive, prolonged, and indiscrimate bombing campaign).

The US government has simply imported the proven failure of the Israeli approach to anti-terrorism, but with none of their experience or willingness to go the distance regardless of whether or not it works (since for Israel it is life or death, right or wrong, while for the US the nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan were purely optional overseas adventures that the American people seems to be losing their taste for) and in Iraq and Afghanistan, both disasters, we are seeing the consequences while year after year the statistics on terrorist attacks continue to rise worldwide.

And, as you point out, all that tough talk, bullying, and sanctions accomplish is to instill strenghthened support for the very government one seeks to isolate/overthrow, and promote nationalism which is an especially dangerous thing in places like Iran where a rise in anti-Americanism and nationalism will have a direct effect on the people's willingness to support and undertake terrorist attacks against the West... we are merely engaging in a self-fulfilling prophecy now where we have become so afraid and belligerent toward this vast "them" that we only encourage the very acts we think are fighting. And again Iraq, where terrorism was virtually unknown before the US invaded it (after a decade of sanctions), has become the poster child that symbolizes exactly why the US approach is a failure and what the consequences are (increased instability, increased violence, increased terrorism, and an emergent unstable Islamic theocracy that will be a better breeding and training ground than Afghanistan ever was even before 9/11).

Anyway, end of rant for now. :D

That's funny!

Most of us Israelis here recognize that what hasn't worked with terrorists is appeasing them, promising them a state, trusting the papers they sign, etc.

Otherwise, lots of things have worked excellently with terrorism, especially when military action is employed and not in response to events but prior to them.

Once again, Scandium's got it backwards.

Again, the problem is we still haven't a proper definition of terrorists.
But let us assume the terrorists are the fundamentalist type, the ones who do it in the name of God. Agree AL, you cannot paper out of that one. But that isn't because they cannot be negotiated with. Their price is just too high.

If Israel wants the terrorists off its back, it needs to evacuate the land of Israel. So that is clearly not negotiable. And that is all the terrorists want. Nothing less will satisfy them. So the conflict is unsolveable by peaceful methods untill one party backs down from impossible demands. But who should that be? Who will blink first?

In my eyes the palestinian people has suffered many more years than needed, precisely because they keep claimining things that are now lost. Possession is 9/10ths of the law I hear quoted often. They do not want to face facts, it is a hollow pride.

if this was the norm and expected why did mr chirac hold an emergency meeting over the threat aimed at france by AQ