U.S. vetoes biased resolution
 

Thankyou Mr.Bolton.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060713/...un_israel_gaza

I hope that is sarcasm on your side...

Not in the slightest my friend.....:D . I get great big smiles on my face knowing that friends from an armored unit based in the Golan is hammering Hizbullah into a crater.

Really brightens my day knowing that the end result will be a more secure border for Israel.

Yup. Great news. Hopefully Israel will just do what needed to be done 30 years ago. The UN and their worthless resolutions have done nothing but set conditions for more violence. The only thing that will bring a lasting peace to that region is a decisive military victory.

Thanks Mr. Bolton.:up:

There cannot be a decisive victory in that region. What they are in for is nothing else than eternal war without end. I have sympoathy for what the are doing, and why, but I see the limited potential of war. They eventually get back their captured soldiers. what they will not get is peace. And what they will get is even more Islamic people fighting against them. No walls hold eternally. They will live under constant siege until then.

Oddly enough I agree with what Skybird says there.

Yep unless someone is prepared to wipe out the other totally and feed thier children to lions and send the other men into fight in the arena then it will be same ole same ole....while China and Russia sit on the sidelines...

Lions. Lions.

I know I put there here somewhere.

Here kitty kitty kitty..............................

Just what Islamic peoples are those Sky? The Iranians? They're already backing Hezbollah and Hamas, as are the Syrians, and Hezbollah already owns southern Lebanon and the Christians are either unable or unwilling to stop them. Other than those, I don't see Jordan getting involved, Egypt is a slight maybe but everyone else is either too weak militarily or too far away, and that includes the Iranians, to do more than funnel arms, funds and the occasional small band of wild eyed fanatics willing to die for Allah to do much else.

Really, I see the Israelis as having little choice in the matter. Prisoner trade? That's not going to stop the rockets from being fired at their civilians. That's not going to stop their people from being kidnapped and held for more ransoms. So what are they to do? Return to the pre 67 borders? I don't think anyone really believes the Islamists would stop there and everything would suddenly be hunky-dory.

Besides, even if the Israelis were to give in to Hamas and Hezboolahs demands, I seriously doubt it would by anything more than the most temporary peace and even that's doubtful. All it would do is allow their enemy some time to rearm and prepare for the next battle, and we all know there will be one regardless of whatever action the Israelis take.

On the other hand, strength is something the Islamists undoubtedly understand and fighting back has been the only thing that has ever worked, so I do not take as gloomy a view about the situation as you do. Twice in my life there have been times when the world figured the Israelis were goners. Both times they brilliantly proved the experts wrong and not only survived but dominated the massive Arab forces thrown against them. I seriously doubt they will have any more Islamic people fighting against them than they have now, but in any case they have proved repeatedly they can handle much, much more.

Oh, as if the Islamic world didnt hate us enough as it is, this is the icing on the cake.

I firmly beleive they're will never be peace in the middle east until one civlization or the other ceases to exist. Nothing less will ever resolve that conflict, and we (the US) will never be able to seperate ourselves from it.

Since were obviously supporting military action we may as well go full bore with it and be done with it.

Aside from saying I belive this or that, I wonder how widely this will escalate this time around. It seems to be spreading fast. Will Egypt and Jordan keep quiet? Is this going to be another major conflict?

I believe not. :p

Who knows. Personnaly im a little tired of it all, and i often wonder how we got dragged into it. Near as i can figure out, they started cursing the US sometime after israel kicked their asses during the 7day war. If documentaries ive seen on it are to beleived, it was such a stunning victory, the arabs needed a scape goat. (Heavy sarchasm here, from a supposed arab point of reference) "So the great big satin, MUST have been helping israel because there's just no way those dirty jews could have beaten an Arab nation on their own"! (end sarchasm)

I figure im probably misinformed, but thats as near as i can figure out how we first got dragged into this. The thing is, the whole conflict there seems to be the wellspring from which everything else follows. From what i can understand, it all starts there and then snowballs into other things.

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Just wanted to add, i hope Isreal kicks their asses again. But real good this time.

Damn, I had planned to visit Jerusalem this summer! Crap, couldn't these people let me take my vacation and then start to kill each other?

Next time, fill in the "special requests" box on your reservation form. :yep:

:p

Actually, only the Upper Gallilee is affected. Everything below that is fine. The hotels here are doing business as usual.

I love this. The whole "war will show those Islamics whats what". I mean how naiive are you guys? War begets war. I'm sure that all the Lords in England at one point around 1914 or 1915 were sitting together sipping brandy saying "Those damned Teutons don't understand anything except strength. What will create eternal peace is pushing them back into their own nation, decimating it and then humiliating them. Yes certainly that will end this whole European war thingy."

Occupation and collateral civilian casualties has never made anyone fall in line. Look at Ireland. Did Bloody Sunday make the Irish calm down? No! It made them more angry and gave the IRA more recruits. This is personal to the Lebanese and the Palestinians. Their families are dying and their cities are being decimated. They are being told by the Israelis that diplomacy isn't an option. So what can they do? They do what most young people being attacked do. They join a militant group.

Now I know we could go on forever talking about who started what. Whether Israel has the right to be occupying Gaza or Lebanon. The fact is that from a strategic standpoint an all out invasion is a stupid thing to do. It only bolsters hatred. It cancels the peace process. Shedding blood only coulds things and makes it impossible to be reasonable.

Now that said Israel is out of control. Invasion? As I recall this incident started with the capture of one Israeli soldier. How does that lead to full scale war? This is a ridiculous over-reaction. The US vetoed the UN resolution because they always support Israel. Plus the US isn't in a position to be running interference in that corner of the Middle-East because it's drowning in Iraq.

The US is crazy just like Israel is crazy. War doesn't end hate. War doesn't create peace. How can the inverse of peace create peace? This skirmish is just an extention of all the emotion and hate and history between Israel, Palestine, and Lebanon and everyone else that's been festering since the end of the Second World War. And this won't end anything. It will make things less secure. Diplomacy creates security. War creates insecurity. Yeah okay. Occupy southern Lebanon and Gaza and you might stop missiles from being fired into Israeli cities. That just ends the use of missiles. That won't get rid of the people shooting the weapons, it won't get rid of the Palestinians or the Lebanese. It won't make fathers forget that their families were killed by Israeli Helicopter strikes. It won't make young people not feel violated and angry. All it will do is stretch Israel thinner accross the region, breed more hate, and give terrorists (on both sides) more power and cause the deaths of more innocent people.

I would ask the same of you.
When you win wars, you beget peace.
And before WWII the Brits were saying "war begets war."
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Does anyone teach you children history anymore?

Incidentally, there wasn't a single Israeli in either Gaza or Lebanon until last week. But keep on reading the funnies.

Oh and occupation by a Syrian puppet regime and Iranian backed terrorist groups isn't occupation? I see.................... :hmm:
Here's some simple diplomacy. Hand back 3 soldiers in good shape and watch us return home. Plenty of diplomatic opportunity right there!
They can stop attacking. They can declare that their goal in life is not the annihilation of the Jewish state of Israel. But with a limited imagination and bumbling excuses like yours, no wonder they're not getting anywhere.
Read last week's news.
Read last week's news.
What has history shown us when trying to appease an enemy dedicated on your destruction? Once again, just the opposite.
There is none.
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No. Lebanon is. Has been for decades. The Lebanese Army has zero control of the country.
It is an act of war. Like duh!
No. It is the right thing for any svereign country to do when being attacked by Islamic terrorists, acting as a proxy for thug states Syria and Iran.
Nothing wrong with that.

Maybe they don't support the Dhimmi EU nor the OIC block in the United Nincompoops.
Anyone in America need a Lifesaver?!
I find the world crazy, with opinions like your contributing to the world's problems.
That's not necessarily the goal of war.
As shown, it certainly can.
Because warring can end a war. So much sematic rhetoric!
Then talk to you Palis and Shi'ite Lebanese. We had little to do with them a few days ago. Try barking up the right tree.
Once again, we have seen that this is very much not so.
Here's a new term for you: "conditions of surrender." Actually and unfortuanetly, it seems a new term for Israel because Israel does not make itself clear enough in its demands. Lousy PR!
Boo hoo. The boor Balestinians and the boor Hizbalah lovers of peace. Boo hoo.
So let's get rid of Israel.

Problem solved! :yep:

BTW, Funk, love your sig. Here's something that agrees with it:

The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his.

Attributed to General George S. Patton.

Suggested reading: Moment of Truth.

Chose your side. It's who you are.

so where do you start when they capture 1 man 10 men 100 men in isreal 1 man is worth fighting and dying for they are completely out numbered if your going to critise isreal first put yourselve in thier position its easy to sit in your comfotable house in a safe danger free county and have a go at a nation thats been under siege for decades think before you speak or dont bother speaking at all