faith in the police? not round here please.
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/g...re/5132370.stm

can you believe it?
crime doesn't pay... well it didn't used to, I'm not so sure now :damn:

As long as it is put down in rules and laws, it is okay. :dead:

Get them a union card so they can participate in the Thieve's Guild Course for a Safe Robbery.

We also need some NGO to help them get bail insurance, you never know when you're getting caught these days, better safe than sorry.

We've just about got the same problem over here.

Honestly, the Fair Tax would cure a lot of our problems, this one included. It would rattle the entire special interests and pandering system, we'd have cops well funded and less corruption; meaning the cops could actually be trusted to do their jobs well. So when you've got a guy breaking the law, the cops are actually authorized to enforce the law, because the politicans passed the law in the interest of actually being willing to enforce the law.

I don't know what you all need to do over there. Maybe a Guy Fawkes job on the weekend when no one is working. Just enough to rattle the fillings in their teeth and get them back to "policing by consent".

We need a Judge Dredd like figure who just zaps criminal scum away....yeah...as if. :roll:

The innocent get banged up, the crooks get a laugh. :down:

I'm really worried about Europe. I mean, if you have an intruder in your home, you can even protect yourself overthere. This one just goes to show you that the police can't help you and you have to protect yourself! And to top it off, the criminals have weapons and the normal person can't! Add in here that even if you do protect yourself, you'll end up going to jail just for doing so.

The bad part is, is America far behind? Right now, if someone comes into my home, I have to shoot enough times to make sure he is dead, because if he survives, I might get sued for shooting him!

I like the fact that everyone has so many worries about terrorists and everything. To me, terrorists pale in comparrison to what we are doing to ourselves! Its just nuts. I am studying law right now (done with sys admin stuff!) to see if I can make a difference in this area.

-S

PS. And you wonder why I keep Hydrashock ammo in my gun at home?

Hah, the only law enforcement professional I trust is this guy...
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/robocop.jpeg

i had a motor cycle nicked a while ago---reported it to the police---and a few days later i got a phone call to tell me it had been discovered--
Great i thought--(wondering what state it was now in:dead: )

the nice police lady then informed me it was in a garage on a housing estate on the other side of town--exactly where the police had discovered it--and i should get over there and pick it up---

some what astounded---i realised that what i was going to have to do was STEAL my own motorcycle back

gee guys thanks--knowing the garage was in was an extremely rough area--and should the thieves be attendant on this garage when i arrived i was liable to have some issues--possibly resulting in serious injury--thieves don't take kindly to you turning up on their door-step and stealing stuff back off them--anyhuw thats what i did--

they'd wrecked the thing any huw--so i even had to push it back home--


they'll persue me till hell freezes over for a parking ticket tho--which is nice---

Sad. I think the US still has some room if you feel like coming over!

-S

Same in Germany. My father is is sports gunner and for some years was member of the police sports club in Berlin, which was public - you could get access to it's training facilcities even if you were no policeman (my father is classical musician, no policeman). He became friends with a Kriminalkommissar who once told him in secret that if he ever would confront a robber, a thief or whomever in his appartment and cannot make him freezing by simply threatening him with his firearms, so that he needed to shoot at him, he should make sure that he a.) kill him for sure and b.) makes sure he doe not kill him with the first bullet, which would be suspicious to be an intended kill and thus could be followed by an examination for murder and c.) that he does not need too many bullets for this would be rated as excessive use of force and could have legal consequences as well. And if he only shoots and injures the man he needs to expect to be sued for "Körperverletzung" (physical injuring?) and "attack with a lethal weapon.":dead:I got injured myself by a knife last year in a street assault out of the blue. I defended myself and while completly disabling him I unfortunately could not avoid to injure that sucker quite severly, and he was motionless. Although his lawyer later withdraw the case, initially I got charged for physical violance (Körperverletzung), which even was legally suspect becasue at that tim,e he trialed the case he was under charges by the police himself! (seems to be a grey area in German laws, but I do not know) Man, you lawyers and idiots - that guy tried to put a knife into my poor belly, I have a 6 cm-long scar on my right side from a 2 cm deep cut when he tried to stab me! Obviously some people would expect me to accept being stabbed down and die in my blood.Accepting to be a victim is a virtue. Weakness is a virtue. Strength is elitary - it needs to be condemned. We are all a happy family, Western society is great, reasonable and tolerant. Death to anyone who casts the shadow of a doubt about this paradise.Perverted thinking stinks.

It's a well known fact that the British Police will not go into areas which are known trouble spots full of yob gangs or chavs. And who can blame them, give them full body armour and some APC's and good back up, that's what I say.

I have recently been involved in a case and to my horror the judge was totaly bias, he through out all of my evedence because he said i cannot support the bad charecter application.

The person i know for sure is totaly innocent but because the judge said we wont accept any of your evedence he has had to now change to guilty and get a lesser charge, despite the fact he never did anything in the first place.

British law is so bias these days im ashamed to say i live here.

I dont know about other european countries but in Finland you can,and i surely will.

There was an inncident in england where a man who was attempting to rob a house cut himself badly on his intended victims fence and sued and you know what he won ! the burgaler won !!!!!

Any anus who comes on my land will get shot but thing is il get done for it doesnt matter if he was coming to kill me id still get done.

yes they really do need to seperate the attacker from the victim--if by defending your self you can be in law labelled as the attacker then this illustrates the insane flaw in the laws (and in some ways society it self) interpretation of violence--and is precisely why the attacker is so often able to manipulate the ordinary person into becoming a "victim" simply by using the knowledge that if he/she defends him/herself then they them selves become the criminal--there-by making any possible morality impossible--

society acts very much as if it were schizophrenic and confused about violence-- as if it can't quite make up it's mind wether it likes it or not--
it's an unspoken vibe that often pervails that we would rather not have any more victims--rather than that we would rather not have any more violence---

no body likes victims---but we all kinda want to be Bruce Willis--

time for some joined up thinking--violence is still "cool" there are obvious reasons why this is--right back to the roots of mankind--the biggest most violent ape got to be boss--not that much has changed maybe it's about time it did?:hmm:
to the kids on the street this is the basic twist--we assume folks are intelligent enough to see past this--but they are allso intelligent to realise that violence or the threat of violence often gets them where they want to go--

and they quite rightly find the fact that the victim can be prosecuted for the very crime that is being perpertrated against them-
like Christmas and their birthday rolled into one---it's a bully mentality---and the law plays right along with it--and that is not a co-incidence IMO

it is as if the crime is to be attacked--and even then it is only a crime if the victim chooses to press charges---

so by that logic being attacked is only a crime if you are a "p*ssy"---that's the grass roots message this sends out loud and clear--
it feeds off those whose desire is to abide by the law-- it makes you a victim for attempting to abide by the law--it gives you no other option--

only when violence is considered a crime without question (within the confines of available evidence) will attitudes change--
if for example a person is witnessed being attacked on lets say CCTV cameras--then after some basic investigation the person seen attacking the other would be prosecuted as having commited a crime---full stop--the victim doesn't enter into it--either it is a crime to physically assault another person or it isn't--

when you are given a speeding ticket for exceeding the speed limit on a motorway--(having been caught on a speed camera)
no one asks the rest of the drivers on that stretch of road wether they minded you exceeding the speed limit--asking them if they as law abiding drivers want to press charges--

same thing should be done with violent incidents--the victim should not even have to appear in court
it should be a arbitary as a parking ticket--you hit some one -you broke the law--it can get more complicated than this--but only if we want to fudge the issues--if the violence is the crime--then this gives the victim back their self respect

then the victim can know on whose side the law really is--and they cease to be victims
it's societyand the law that makes ordinary law abiding citizens into victims--one minute they are walking their dog--the next they're a victim--what happenned?
a bit fuddled perhaps?

precisely

Once again for the U.K the stinking corrupt E.U. has given us the human right's act, which Tony Blair put his signature too. And is now regretting it, I here old David cameron leader of the Conservative party, said he would scrap it, just two problems first the conservatives must get elected at the next general election, the second point I would like to see how the hell can he scrap it, while we are in the E.U. good luck David cameron.

i kinda think the problem goes a bit deeper than just which party happens to be in power---

i reckon the police, lawyers and all concerned partys in authority should be made to sit down and try to write a leaflet describing in detail and exactly what a member of the public should be expected to do when confronted with a violent assault--(not some idiotic victim support wishy washy sticky plaster for after the event --but what you are supposed to do whilst the attack is actually happening )
i think once the waste paper bin is crammed to the full with rejected drafts they will finally start to see the size of the problem-

If a intruder entered my home, I know the law will back the intruder, so if I am going down I am going to take the son of a bitch with me.

Thats terrible! It is understandable though because people who like to be victims can't stand people that are able to defend themselves (Its a phycology thing) and would rather die than give up their victim status. Problem is, these people seem to be the very people speaking the loudest to get their laws passed since people that can defend themselves don't give these thoughts a second thought.

What really needs to happen is that criminals should be held to and give up all their rights during the commision of a crime with intent to harm. Its the only way to fix what is broken.

-S