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kiwi_2005 06-28-06 06:05 PM

Can i make fun of God?
 
Can i make fun of God.

Would he get angry if i laugh at him, make fun of him put up god funny jokes about him - does the mighty one have a sense of humor? Seriously. I mean you never read in the Bible "And God laughed his head off" its more like "And God sent great wrathe on those... This aint a God mocking thread this is a question: Does he find things in life funny does he laugh at our mistakes.
If we make fun of god without the filth added in just good old laugh at God jokes - Im sure he would laugh back. I read somewhere it could of even came from subsim a poster said "Of course hes got a sense of humor he created the monkey didn't he". Yeah but how far does his sense of humor go?

I mean picture this, hes sitting on his throne watching us all next thing he spots a drunk wobbling about near a cliff.

God: Hey Son, come here quick!
Jesus: Yes Father.
God: Look at this idiot hes drunk as a skunk and about to walk of the cliff"
Jesus: I believe that is none other than Kiwi
God: Kiwi again!
Jesus: Yes Father we have saved his ass 77 times now.
God: Hmm what did i say in the Bible about forgiveness? Was it 77 something?
Jesus: 77 times 7
God: Hmm ok we better save his ass again then for i never go against my word.
but lets see what happens shall we i need a good laugh, my creation hasn't made me chuckle since Ronald Raegan became president of America.
Jesus: As you wish Father
Moments later kiwi trips over himself and lands face first into a cow paddy
God: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Jesus: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Angels: HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
Satan: Damn! kiwi lives again.

So if i got drunk & fell face first into a cow paddy (thats cow poohs) and never hurt myself just a funny incident, would God laugh his head off at my stupidity.?

kiwi_2005 06-28-06 06:07 PM

Now this funny right? well to most ppl. But would god crack up over this picture? Surely he would see the humor in it, huh?

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...12536_full.jpg

mapuc 06-28-06 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005
Can i make fun of God.

Would he get angry if i laugh at him, make fun of him put up god funny jokes about him - does the mighty one have a sense of humor? Seriously. I mean you never read in the Bible "And God laughed his head off" its more like "And God sent great wrathe on those... This aint a God mocking thread this is a question: Does he find things in life funny does he laugh at our mistakes.
If we make fun of god without the filth added in just good old laugh at God jokes - Im sure he would laugh back. I read somewhere it could of even came from subsim a poster said "Of course hes got a sense of humor he created the monkey didn't he". Yeah but how far does his sense of humor go?

I mean picture this, hes sitting on his throne watching us all next thing he spots a drunk wobbling about near a cliff.

God: Hey Son, come here quick!
Jesus: Yes Father.
God: Look at this idiot hes drunk as a skunk and about to walk of the cliff"
Jesus: I believe that is none other than Kiwi
God: Kiwi again!
Jesus: Yes Father we have saved his ass 77 times now.
God: Hmm what did i say in the Bible about forgiveness? Was it 77 something?
Jesus: 77 times 7
God: Hmm ok we better save his ass again then for i never go against my word.
but lets see what happens shall we i need a good laugh, my creation hasn't made me chuckle since Ronald Raegan became president of America.
Jesus: As you wish Father
Moments later kiwi trips over himself and lands face first into a cow paddy
God: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Jesus: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Angels: HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
Satan: Damn! kiwi lives again.

So if i got drunk & fell face first into a cow paddy (thats cow poohs) and never hurt myself just a funny incident, would God laugh his head off at my stupidity.?

I do not know about God. But I surely would laugh me half dead. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Markus

Skybird 06-28-06 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005
So if i got drunk & fell face first into a cow paddy (thats cow poohs) and never hurt myself just a funny incident, would God laugh his head off at my stupidity.?

Since what you consider to be "divine" and what you consider to be "you" is not separated by a tenth of an inch, it exclusively depends on your choice what to do. ;)

Just some grain of atheistic humour from me...

Why can angels fly? Because they take it easy! ;)

Iceman 06-29-06 02:55 AM

Ur silly...of course God has sense of humor.Any good thing springs from God.The rain falls on the good and the bad at this time.Free Will...a free planet to be fruitiful and multiply on.Some say and I do not have the answer but I believe Satan himself was merely the "First" to choose his own way other than Gods.That was fine with God as well...Free Will...but he doesnt have to live with him either.What an Awesome being...bean...to allow even a creature that has become as evil as Satan to continue to exsist....Sense of humor?...Laughter is probably one of the most blessed things I have come across in my life along with music.

That pic is Awesome! can't wait to see my son laugh his head off at it...thks Kiwi.:rotfl:

P.S. God is the one who allowed the sunlight to be cast just right on that full moon. LMAO...He is quoted as saying...If you being a good father can show mercy ,patience, and joy how much more can He?

Drebbel 06-29-06 02:57 AM

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Ur silly...of course God has sense of humor
Ok, let me take a dangerous step.

Has Allah a sense of humor ?

Or is Allah and God the same thing ?

Iceman 06-29-06 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Drebbel
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Ur silly...of course God has sense of humor
Ok, let me take a dangerous step.

Has Allah a sense of humor ?

Or is Allah and God the same thing ?

To me they are the same... it does not matter if you call Him late for supper. :) But I call him King of Kings...Jesus Christ.;)My faith teaches me God is not a respector of persons and does not see flesh at all only spirit.But I cannot speak for those who do call him Allah.

scandium 06-29-06 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Drebbel
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Ur silly...of course God has sense of humor
Ok, let me take a dangerous step.

Has Allah a sense of humor ?

Or is Allah and God the same thing ?

Different name, same entity. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all share the same god.

The Avon Lady 06-29-06 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Drebbel
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Ur silly...of course God has sense of humor
Ok, let me take a dangerous step.

Has Allah a sense of humor ?

Or is Allah and God the same thing ?

Different name, same entity. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all share the same god.

Not so. Both Judaism and Islam reject Christian teachings of a divinity incoporated into a physical form.

And of course, each religion has its own very different claims of what G-d said and wants.

Skybird 06-29-06 05:16 AM

The Christian Church's God is not the God that Jesus speaks of, and both Gods do not compare to that of Islam. Catholicicism today tries to hammer the equality of both concepts into Chrisztians mind, in order to allow itself bending more and more towards Islam (that does not answer that favour, unfortunately), nevertheless both concepts are different and result from misunderstandings of the historical events that lead to Muhammad's invention of his own conception. no wonder then, that both concepts also trigger different teachings and practical consequences. Handing death to man as a penalty for example is left to God in Chrsitian faith. In Islam it is not only allowed, but demanded to deliver death-penalty by the hand of man, for this served Muhammad's ambitions far better. If someone says the Chrisztian and the Islamic God are one and the same, he does not know what he is talking of and may want to read one or two according books on the matter.

scandium 06-29-06 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
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Originally Posted by scandium
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Originally Posted by Drebbel
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Ur silly...of course God has sense of humor
Ok, let me take a dangerous step.

Has Allah a sense of humor ?

Or is Allah and God the same thing ?

Different name, same entity. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all share the same god.

Not so. Both Judaism and Islam reject Christian teachings of a divinity incoporated into a physical form.

And of course, each religion has its own very different claims of what G-d said and wants.

Wrong. They are all 3 Abrahamic religions with similar roots and the same basic concept of their deity. You are also wrong about the role of Jesus in Christianity (no surprise there ;)), since not all branches of Christianity believe that Jesus was the "divinity incorporated into a physical form" (Unitarians, for instance, generally reject the divinity of Christ).

Skybird 06-29-06 05:27 AM

An interesting variation of the matter:

http://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/god.htm

scandium 06-29-06 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird
The Christian Church's God is not the God that Jesus speaks of, and both Gods do not compare to that of Islam. Catholicicism today tries to hammer the equality of both concepts into Chrisztians mind, in order to allow itself bending more and more towards Islam (that does not answer that favour, unfortunately)

Right Skybird, this has been the Papal intention all along - remaking Catholicism into Islam. :rotfl:

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Handing death to man as a penalty for example is left to God in Chrsitian faith.
Are you for real? That doesn't reconcile itself very well with the history of capital punishment in Christian societies where, up until recently, it was widespread. EDIT:

It also doesn't conform with what is said in the Bible; Christian supporters of Capital Punishment can reconcile this support with these 2 passages:

“Who so sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God made he man” Genesis 9:6

“For he is the minister of God [the magistrate] to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain; for he is the minister of God a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil” Romans 13:4

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If someone says the Chrisztian and the Islamic God are one and the same, he does not know what he is talking of and may want to read one or two according books on the matter.
They are one and the same. :D

Skybird 06-29-06 05:38 AM

Yes, all three refer to Abraham and thus are called Abrahamic reliogion. Nevertheless this does not necessarily lead to similiar concepetions of "God". Muhammad added certain changes and manipulations to the existing Abrahamic cult, and btw. since then, his and the Jewish/Christian church's concepts went separate ways, resulting not only in different ideas of what God is, but also to what he authorizes people to do (like the example with death and killing I gave above). Since both christina faith and Islam have their roots it Judaism, all three religions have similiarities and have common intersections, nevertheless the remaining differences are of most vital meaning and make their concepts of God very different things.

Being Christian means being a follower of the Christ of which there has been only one. and the chruch has never been the christ. Thus you can be a member of the church - and be no Christian nevertheless (when ignoring or violating the Christ's teachings).

Skybird 06-29-06 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by scandium
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Originally Posted by Skybird
The Christian Church's God is not the God that Jesus speaks of, and both Gods do not compare to that of Islam. Catholicicism today tries to hammer the equality of both concepts into Chrisztians mind, in order to allow itself bending more and more towards Islam (that does not answer that favour, unfortunately)

Right Skybird, this has been the Papal intention all along - remaking Catholicism into Islam. :rotfl:

I recommend you take some time and study the policies resulting from the second conciles in the early 60s. Since it is a complex matter I spare me the time to write a long essay on it myself. Studying the impact of installed policies of John Paul II. also is enlightening (and rooted in this second concile, me thinks).

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Handing death to man as a penalty for example is left to God in Chrsitian faith.
Are you for real? That doesn't reconcile itself very well with the history of capital punishment in Christian societies where, up until recently, it was widespread.[/quote]
The deciding criterion here is what the centre of Christianity - the Christ - has preached on this matter. And Jesus did not allow or encouraged to leave penalties like this to the justice of man. The medieval was not an age of christian faith - but the absence of true Christian faith. That's one of the two reasons they call it the dark age (the other was that the lightening conditions must have been terrible, and that is for real).

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They are one and the same. :D
We all already had plenty of opportunities in the last two weeks to realize that for you all and everything is levelled out and one and the same, equal, undifferentiated, featureless thing.

The Avon Lady 06-29-06 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by scandium
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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
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Originally Posted by scandium
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Originally Posted by Drebbel
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Ur silly...of course God has sense of humor
Ok, let me take a dangerous step.

Has Allah a sense of humor ?

Or is Allah and God the same thing ?

Different name, same entity. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all share the same god.

Not so. Both Judaism and Islam reject Christian teachings of a divinity incoporated into a physical form.

And of course, each religion has its own very different claims of what G-d said and wants.

Wrong. They are all 3 Abrahamic religions with similar roots and the same basic concept of their deity.

You are also wrong about the role of Jesus in Christianity (no surprise there ;)), since not all branches of Christianity believe that Jesus was the "divinity incorporated into a physical form" (Unitarians, for instance, generally reject the divinity of Christ).

I am quite aware of the fact that not all Christians believe in the Trinity nor in Jesus having any divinity. Those, concepts, however, are still Christian in nature and conflict completely with Judaism and Islam.

And the fact remains that each religion has its own very different claims of what G-d said and wants.

scandium 06-29-06 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird
Being Christian means being a follower of the Christ of which there has been only one. and the chruch has never been the christ. Thus you can be a member of the church - and be no Christian nevertheless (when ignoring or violating the Christ's teachings).

Skybird here you reveal your very simplistic understanding of Christianity. Christ - above all else - represented forgiveness and redemption.

scandium 06-29-06 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
And the fact remains that each religion has its own very different claims of what G-d said and wants.

Yup they do, that's what makes them different, their interpretation of what God says and wants (and not their shared conception of the deity itself).

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Originally Posted by Skybird
The deciding criterion here is what the centre of Christianity - the Christ - has preached on this matter. And Jesus did not allow or encouraged to leave penalties like this to the justice of man. The medieval was not an age of christian faith - but the absence of true Christian faith.

You have this all wrong. Christ preached that man should obey the laws of men, and those Christians who support Capital Punishment (and who also believe this support is in accordance with their Christian faith) cite that passage I gave from Romans as proof that it doesn't violate His teachings.

You are also wrong historically, as well as theologically, since Capital Punishment was practiced long after the Enlightenment began and only began to become less widespread very recently. Here is part of a very good essay by a Professor of Theology at Taylor University:

"Even the so-called left wing of the Protestant Reformation (from which domain modern religious opposition to capital punishment is said to derive) endorsed the death penalty. The Schleitheim Confession (1527), an exemplary document adopted by the Swiss Brethren, reads: "The sword is an ordinance of God .... Princes and Rulers are ordained for the punishment of evildoers and putting them to death." This Anabaptist declaration concurs with the Lutheran Formula of Concord (1580), which prescribes for "wild and intractable men" a commensurate "external punishment."

"In light of penal excesses during the late medieval and early modern period of England’s history, not a few influential eighteenth- and nineteenth century thinkers called for the abolition of the death penalty. Among its opponents were Montesquieu, David Hume, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine, Caesare Beccaria, Voltaire, Jean Jacques Rousseau, Benjamin Rush, Jeremy Bentham and Karl Marx. Widespread use of torture and the inadequate state of criminal law gave rise to a growing movement in western Europe to abolish the death penalty or greatly restrict its use. The abolitionist argument, however, was fueled not by the Church but by Enlightenment thinkers who were notably secular in their worldview."

http://pewforum.org/deathpenalty/res...reader/19.php3

Skybird 06-29-06 06:22 AM

No. He did not die for our sins, and we are not forgiven our sins by his deed. He died for the sake of showing us the path that everyone of us, each one by his own, must go himself if he wants to find freedom and enlightenment. I laugh about the soft and comforting marshmallow-man that one can so easily nestle up to, these trivialized understandings have turned Jesus into. No wondert that Islam sees most Christians as a community of weaklings.

If I may quote myself from an old script that I am currently translating for reasons that have nothing to do with this board and it's discussion:

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Originally Posted by What it's about
Buddha once was asked how many people live a precious and valuable life, in his opinion. He answered by showing some small particles of dirt under one fingernail and saying: “Compared to the weight of all sand and dirt of the world – only that many.”

And Jesus gets quoted like this:
Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, 'Sir, open the door for us.' But he will answer, 'I don't know you or where you come from.” (Luke 13, 24-25);
If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters - yes, even his own life - he cannot be my disciple” (Luke 14,26);
“But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.” (Matthew 7,14);
“Another disciple said to him, ‘Lord, first let me go and bury my father.’ But Jesus told him, ‘Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead.’ (Matthew 8,21-22);
“Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me and for the gospel will save it. What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels." (Mark 8,34-38).

The gospels and the message of Jesus are tough and merciless in their consequent single-mindedness, like is the teaching of Karma; they are no spiritual soft-washed marshmallows to cuddle with, they are nothing to lean against in the cold winter nights of our lives, to find some warmth and comfort. They compare better to a clear declaration of unrestricted war against the ego. It all is a life-or-death affair, with not one inch of space for compromises, for even in a tenth of an inch everything will be lost again. Do it with all your might and effort and gain all, or don’t. There is no consolation by second prizes. I always found the contemporary church’s attempt to turn the gospels into a teaching of mild charity and soft heartened comfort to please the crowd most disgusting, and to be the most meanest of all crimes. Because what Jesus really told people is as tough and harsh as a truth can be. The pictures of him as a smiling, mild, soft man, an overly emotional weakling, are human follies and distortions only. He must have been strong, he must have been a realist, he must have stood with booth feet on the ground, he must have loved life and man, and he must have been a true warrior by mind – otherwise a human could not gain that amount of insight, and could not bear what he sees coming to him. Telling people that Jesus died for our sins and that we already are saved by that, is ridiculous, and of the most evil of intentions: to hide the truth from people, so that they stay in dependence from an institution with its’ own earthly interests instead. Jesus did not die in our place. He died for the sake of showing us the way each one of us must go all by himself: so to hell with the Jesus of the churches! Jesus is as little a man of the churches, as he is a man of some Christian fundamentalist sects. Both do abuse him. Wake up and learn what he really was about! But possible that this will test your strengths to braking point. Which is okay, since your ego must break in order to allow you true freedom. Again: “If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.”(Mark 8,34)



"The salvation of the soul - in plain English: The world revolves around me." (Nietzsche) but the gosples as I understood them are a message of strength, fulfillment and challenge that one can only evade at the price of spending life after life in complete blindness, forever hooked to the turning of the wheel of life, death, suffering and reincarnation. amnd all thta because one expects Jesus to have done what everyone needs to do all by his own.

Skybird 06-29-06 06:29 AM

And on the question of what the other parts of the bible, for example the Romans, have to do with Jesus' message, I again pick up that script where I quoted Nietzsche like this:

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Hard upon the heels of the "glad tidings" came the worst imaginable: those of Paul. In Paul is incarnated the very opposite of the "bearer of glad tidings"; he represents the genius for hatred, the vision of hatred, the relentless logic of hatred. What, indeed, has not this dysangelist sacrificed to hatred! Above all, the Saviour: he nailed him to his own cross. The life, the example, the teaching, the death of Christ, the meaning and the law of the whole gospels - nothing was left of all this after that counterfeiter in hatred had reduced it to his uses. Surely not reality; surely not historical truth! … Once more the priestly instinct of the Jew perpetrated the same old master crime against history - he simply struck out the yesterday and the day before yesterday of Christianity, and invented his own history of Christian beginnings. Going further, he treated the history of Israel to another falsification, so that it became a mere prologue to his achievement: all the prophets, it now appeared, had referred to his "Saviour."… Later on the church even falsified the history of man in order to make it a prologue to Christianity... The figure of the Saviour, his teaching, his way of life, his death, the meaning of his death, even the consequences of his death - nothing remained untouched, nothing remained in even remote contact with reality. Paul simply shifted the centre of gravity of that whole life to a place behind this existence - in the lie of the "risen" Jesus. At bottom, he had no use for the life of the Saviour - what he needed was the death on the cross, and something more. To see anything honest in such a man as Paul, whose home was at the centre of the Stoical enlightenment, when he converts an hallucination into a proof of the resurrection of the Saviour, or even to believe his tale that he suffered from this hallucination himself - this would be a genuine niaiserie in a psychologist. Paul willed the end; therefore he also willed the means. - What he himself didn't believe was swallowed readily enough by the idiots among whom he spread his teaching. - What he wanted was power; in Paul the priest once more reached out for power - he had use only for such concepts, teachings and symbols as served the purpose of tyrannizing over the masses and organizing mobs. What was the only part of Christianity that Mohammed borrowed later on? Paul's invention, his device for establishing priestly tyranny and organizing the mob: the belief in the immortality of the soul - that is to say, the doctrine of "judgment".



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