A new martyr
 

Al Zarquawi became a martyr today, the victim of a US ari attack in Iraq. Press conference at 15:00 GMT (17:00 European Summer Time).

This will not end the violence between Shiítes and Suni's in Iraq, but might well unbalance the foreign Jihad fighters...

Good news anyway for everybody who hates terrorism.

I doubt that Iraqi citizens and even many of the local insurgents view Abu Musab al-Zarqawi as a martyr. To them he was probably more of a pain in the arse.

Importantly it offers much needed credibility to the new Iraqi Government with the Iraqi people. The Governement needs wins like this to present to the populace as evidence of progress. The Iraqi people however now need further tangible progress on the crucial issues of security, basic services such as electricity and water, and employment.

Burn in hell, Scheisskerl.

Zarqawi dead
 

Discussed here in this thread:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=94195

I just hope the strike didn't kill him to quickly, there is nothing that worm deserved more than a slow, painful death.
Burn in hell Zarqawi

Watch your mouth!!!!!:x

(What did he say?:-? )

:p

Scheitvent!

only if you believe there is a god i think hes just plain dead and the best place for him and you will never stop people fighting in any country the first man who can do that will most certainly be a god

Good riddance?

I'm afraid, though, that it will end up being far less useful to the American side than it seems - and maybe more useful to the other side. But I guess it's the kind of boost that they need to improve opinion at home.

I recall a similar situation where the famed Chechen leader Djokhar Dudaev was killed in an air raid by the Russians, but it'd be oh-so-wrong to say that it was even nearly the end of it. Things got worse, in fact.

I'll bet it doesnt make much of a difference. These guys are like cockroach's. Another one wil take his place soon enough.

Here's a quote attributed to these ragheads.

I agree. There will be another "abu" along, shortly.

It's a bit funny. I find the use of "father", in the Islamic sense, to be a perjorative; not many "fathers" in Christianity wield an AK-47 in this day and time. This context in their nom de guerre has been one of the most enlightening things I've learned about Islam since 9/11.

As for Zarqawi, I think it's more disrepectful toward him to disavow his nom de guerre, and use his birth name of "Ahmed Fadhil" (and even more disrepectful to truncate his father's name from his birth name). Nothing special about this jihadist; there's 100 million more where that came from, and another 300 million more in childhood training. He's just a statistic.

Dead man's pic (not too gory - I think he died of a nosebleed).

Or you can watch the movie.:cool:

Problem is kiling these maggots doesnt do any good. Their into this whole 72 virgin crap, so greasing the bastards is acutally doing them a service.

We'd have been better served if he was captured, and thrown in a 2 foot by 4 foot hole, and left to rott to die a slow lingering death.

Nooo.. im not bitter! :shifty:

Did you expect them to say something like this?:

"The evil Americans have killed our leader, throwing our organizational plans into chaos. Oh woe is us, what will we do?" :D

Hardly. It's an old tactic used by armies and movements throughout history to conceal the problems the loss of a commander will cause.

Maybe it is just a typo, and the real meaning is one virgin of age 72 :lol:

However, the 72 huris probably are a misinterpretation. Sura 55, verse 72 reads like this: "72 Fair ones, close-guarded in pavilions ", the translation varies, the Arabic word for huri could mean the contrast between black and whhite, big-eyed, or even refer to "beautiful girl". Here it is translated as "fair ones". So, the 72 actually derives from the verse-number, where as the text reference may be to huris in general. Different quran translation differ in their explaantion of what a huri is. Some translations explicitly describe them as virgins that has not been touched neither by heavenly creatures/dschinns nor human man, others insisct that a huri is a sex-less creature, to be understood as a servant only, instead of an object of lust. Usually, that is my impression, interpretations that are more tame on such sensible issues and the querstion of violance are used to missionize us infidels and make Islam appear top be more freindly and harmless, whereas the more "hardcore" translations cirulate among "insiders", escpeically hardcore understood with regard to violance and intolerance.

But consider this: each day, for all eternity, at the end of the day you have to ask 72 times "Hi, how was your day?", and then listening to 72 different endless sermons that usually tend to pour out of a girl's mouth whenever you ask her how she is - isn't that another form of psychological torture? Seen that way, I really hope he gets his 72 huris, sexless or not. :lol:

Sure it does. He's one terrorist that won't ever cut some poor b***tards head off again.

My understanding of hūr, other spelling houris, is a little wider in it’s meanings to what you have described Skybird. Hūr implies the following three broad ideas within different Suras of the Qu’ran. It implies truth and goodwill. Secondly it implies beauty, specifically of ones eyes, where the intense white of the eye-balls stands out brightly against the intense black darkness of the pupil, and thus in doing so giving the appearance of lustre and intense feeling. In other words it is the complete opposite to dullness or for want of expression. This second meaning is expanded in sūrah 55, āyah 72 to refer to very fair women created from Allāh, not from offspring of Adam, and they have the eye features I described above. Thirdly and finally hūr implies purity. It is speculated that possibly the word hawāriyūn, as applied to the first Disciples of Isa (Jesus), is connected with this root.

Now to the important summation of Sūrah 55 (Chapter 55), Ar-Rahmān (The Most Gracious). This is in part a Medinan dated sūrah but the greater parts of it are mostly early Meccan. Sūrah 55 is the sixth of the series of seven dealing with Revelation. It highlights God’s wonders in this world, describes the end of the world, and paints an evocative picture of Paradise (Heaven). Hellfire (Hell) is also briefly contrasted in āyahs (verses) 43-4, with the joys that await the righteous. The whole sūrah is strongly characterised by the refrain ‘Then which of your Lord’s blessings do you both deny?’ Throughout this refrain in sūrah 55 it implies that whilst things are created in pairs, there is an underlying unity, through the Creator, and in the favours upon which He bestows.

There is quite simply no mention of ‘72 virgins’ as suggested by Skybird. The figure 72 is simply the āyah number and that is it. The numbers have absolutely no context or meaning except to arrange and structure the Qu’ran. The pavilions reference adds dignity to their status similar to the description from sūrah 55, āyah 58 ‘Like unto rubies and coral.’ Hopefully this helps to clarify a little since this was brought up. :know:

*shifty eyes* :rotfl: