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Kurushio 05-31-06 12:56 PM

What happens if you fire a man out of a torpedo tube?
 
I was thinking of this as a way to deploy special forces without surfacing. Why not eject them out of the tubes (with special equipment, of course). Might it be nobody has ever thought of this? :hmm:

TLAM Strike 05-31-06 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurushio
Might it be nobody has ever thought of this? :hmm:


Ever seen "The Man With the Golden Gun"? or "The World is not Enough" or "Never Say Never Again"? :D



The crew of the USS Holland SS1 once tried to shoot the ship's dog mascot out the torpedo tube to test it as a escape system. The put the dog in the tube, flooded it up and fired. The crew topside saw no trace of the dog. They drained the tube and found the dog totally dry- he found a spot in the tube to hide in.

MaHuJa 05-31-06 06:55 PM

Norwegian subs have used torpedo tubes as "marinejeger" (think SEAL) "deployment chamber" for a long time.

Or at least, that's how I've been hearing it.

I believe that were you to actually impulse fire them, though, you'd have a lot of broken bones to deal with. The idea is that they swim out themselves.

Kurushio 05-31-06 06:58 PM

Poor dog. :lol: Though no...I don't recall ever seeing a film where I saw that happen. I've seen most of the Bond movies...but not the ones after Moore (the ultimate James Bond INMHO).

Here's another idea of mine...how about they invent an anti-torpedo...torpedo?! :cool: A torpedo which, when launched, homes onto another torpedo with the sole purpose of destroying it. Wow, I'm just full of stupid ideas tonight! :smug: Hey...we can make this the bizzare naval ideas thread! :yep:

Enigma 05-31-06 06:59 PM

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The crew of the USS Holland SS1 once tried to shoot the ship's dog mascot out the torpedo tube
.......
:o

TLAM Strike 05-31-06 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurushio
Here's another idea of mine...how about they invent an anti-torpedo...torpedo?! :cool: A torpedo which, when launched, homes onto another torpedo with the sole purpose of destroying it. Wow, I'm just full of stupid ideas tonight! :smug: Hey...we can make this the bizzare naval ideas thread! :yep:

Some people who have worked with them say the MK46 has that capability.

The NU90 might have it too. Anti-Torpedo weapons are being worked on by several navies.

BTW if anyone is instrested that story about the dog came from 'A Century of Silent Service' from SCS
http://battlefront.com/products/css_dvd/index.html
Its a good DVD.

LoBlo 05-31-06 07:15 PM

I think most SF use the subs escape hatches for deploying. Some the the newest USN subs have special SF chambers (Trident SSGN and VA).

LoBlo 05-31-06 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurushio
Here's another idea of mine...how about they invent an anti-torpedo...torpedo?! :cool: A torpedo which, when launched, homes onto another torpedo with the sole purpose of destroying it. Wow, I'm just full of stupid ideas tonight! :smug: Hey...we can make this the bizzare naval ideas thread! :yep:

Nothing bizzare about that idea at all. Its actually in the works, with the main obstacle an accurate enough guidance system to get close enough for a successful kill... hard to achieve. There's a nice article about it somewhere on the net, but I've lost the link. It was either on the main Subsim.com page or maybe SeaPower Magazines site somewhere I forget.

Henson 05-31-06 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurushio
Here's another idea of mine...how about they invent an anti-torpedo...torpedo?! :cool: A torpedo which, when launched, homes onto another torpedo with the sole purpose of destroying it. Wow, I'm just full of stupid ideas tonight! :smug: Hey...we can make this the bizzare naval ideas thread! :yep:

NUWC has a lot of crazy mofo's who sit around and think about stuff like this all day...and that is why we have the ADCAP. It will happen.

SeaQueen 05-31-06 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurushio
Here's another idea of mine...how about they invent an anti-torpedo...torpedo?! :cool: A torpedo which, when launched, homes onto another torpedo with the sole purpose of destroying it.

http://www.military.com/forums/0,15240,98288,00.html

http://www.afcea.org/signal/articles...asp?a=577&z=85

TLAM Strike 05-31-06 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LoBlo
...with the main obstacle an accurate enough guidance system to get close enough for a successful kill... hard to achieve.

Ivan took a more practical approach: throw a whole F*cking lot of ordnance at the torpedo. Maybe that’s why they've had an anti-torpedo system on their warships since 1957.

(I of course am talking about the Russian RBU systems)

:know:

LuftWolf 06-01-06 02:57 AM

Solid Snake was shot out of a torpedo tube to open the game in the original Metal Gear Solid.

He was in a torpedo-like single person underwater infiltration craft.

FERdeBOER 06-01-06 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Kurushio
I was thinking of this as a way to deploy special forces without surfacing. Why not eject them out of the tubes (with special equipment, of course). Might it be nobody has ever thought of this? :hmm:

I think is possible if you use less power (maybe less compressed air) on the launch.

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Originally Posted by Kurushio
Here's another idea of mine...how about they invent an anti-torpedo...torpedo?! A torpedo which, when launched, homes onto another torpedo with the sole purpose of destroying it. Wow, I'm just full of stupid ideas tonight! Hey...we can make this the bizzare naval ideas thread!

Stupid idea for the war? You will surprise about the things the military engineers and scientists thinks. :shifty:
I've seen a chapter of the serie "Soldiers", presented by Frederic Forsyth about engineers... and the ideas developed during the WWII for crossing rivers and for destroying mines are... :rotfl: but some were effective.
For example, USSR scientits thought on launch millions of dark papers (well, no paper, but similar) on the North Pole to cover the surface. That would make the ice to retain more hot, and it will begin to melt. If the North Pole melts, the sea level will increase... and USA has more coast, more important cities (almost all important city), and more population on that cities than the USSR...

You want more? Training "intuitive" people to find and even kill people from miles of distance with their mental power (don't laught, even to try to find Osama).

So, your ideas are more than serious :up:

Kurushio 06-01-06 06:46 AM

Damn...and I was just about to patent that idea about the anti-torp torpedo. :damn: Just shows there aren't many original ideas left...

FerdeBoer...yeah I've read the Soviets had all these strange ideas. Must be all the vodka. :lol: Though that thing about melting the arctic ice is similar to Agent Orange the US used in Vietnam. I know the Russian army uses dogs to carry ammo even today...in London they opened a new memorial (massive thing) dedicated to animals who "fought" in wars. Ridiculous thing. It says in big writing "THEY HAD NO CHOICE...." :lol: Stupid also because they still don't have any choice...:rotfl:

TLAM Strike 06-01-06 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by FERdeBOER
For example, USSR scientits thought on launch millions of dark papers (well, no paper, but similar) on the North Pole to cover the surface. That would make the ice to retain more hot, and it will begin to melt. If the North Pole melts, the sea level will increase... and USA has more coast, more important cities (almost all important city), and more population on that cities than the USSR...

I think Agent James Bond 007 of Her Majesty’s Secret Service defeated that plot... :hmm:



:rotfl:

LuftWolf 06-01-06 01:01 PM

The Russians developed all kinds of nice weapons.

The one that sticks out in my mind is the one with the Pavlovian trained dogs used as anti-vehicular mines. The Russians trained dogs to find their food under large vehicles. They then strapped mines on short sticks on top of the dogs and set them loose to roam about near German bases.

The idea didn't really work very well, as much because the dogs were likely to go under ANY large vehicle, including Russian, although it scared the crap out of the Germans (Hans, these Russians are crazy with their dog-bombs!).

The Americans also had similar projects, such as the Incendiary Bat Bomb. The idea was to strap incendiary devices to bats with an altitude fuse and release them from heavy bombers over the wooden cities of Japan. When the bats got down to ground level, they would burst into flames and crash down on the rooves of the Japanese cities.

They got into the testing phase, when a swarm of bats ignited over the supervising General's car, after which, the project was cancelled.

I think my favorate quote from this enterprise was (loosely quoted) "In the bat bomb, we've got a weapon here that could really win the war, and they've got these guys over in the desert jerking off with atoms!"

Cheers,
David

Edit: Just to be completely correct, I think the bats also burned down some hangers on the base on which they were being tested... meaning the Incendiary Bat Bomb itself worked well, but was cancelled because of problems with the "fire control". :rotfl: :-j

TLAM Strike 06-01-06 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LuftWolf
The Americans also had similar projects, such as the Incendiary Bat Bomb.

So Batman really did fight in WWII??? :o :lol:

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/5...00000153ih.jpg

"Don't worry Robin I'll use my Incendiary Bat Bomb on the Joker! Now go back to the Batcave and wait for me in the bed."

LuftWolf 06-01-06 01:43 PM

Wow, things certainly are different now.

DivingWind 06-01-06 01:57 PM

...or maybe WW1?

TLAM Strike 06-01-06 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LuftWolf
Wow, things certainly are different now.

A lot diffrent:
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/9...00000586ik.jpg


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