Sukhoi and her stunts
 

Taken from an airshow in russia i think it was and now availble to see via this link.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/video_...ng.php?id=2738

this is unedited fotage this is from a real airshow in real time.

Oh so impressive. I'm taking time out in the office to watch this now. :|\

Awesome stunts by awesome aircraft.. :up:

Didn't spot them doing Pugachev's Cobra, tho.. that's a classic :cool:

WAS THAT THE COBRA MOVMENT I SAW OUT OF THIS WORLD

Nice one kap great stuff. :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

Hu.. there was a cobra? :-?

Maybe I missed it.. I had some weird trouble with the clip. First it was all white. When I finally got it showing it kept flickering at random.. :down:

I did spot couple of "cobra attempts" tho, but what I could tell from the background clouds, they ended up being just loops.

Maybe I should view it again..

there was a cobra, even commentator said so towards the end, but it was there more than once, plus the 'bell' or whatever it's called, when the plane stops in the air and sars falling back on its tail than switching around and getting away.

Great to watch those pilents who are probably having some good fun too, the plane looks like its good handling one. With those badass red stars on the fins and all that. :) :|\

I think quite a few people view all this as "eye-candy" and ask the following question. Are any of these fancy moves of any use in a real modern day air combat environment? I'm guessing that the F-22 crowd would probably say no. The video was excellent in anycase. :up:

Right because with all these fancy Buck Rodgers like missiles there’s never going to be a dogfight! Like what everyone said when we designed the F-4 Phantom! :roll:

I don't think floating in mid air is good for anything but airshows. I know someone's going to say, "But what about making the other guy overshoot???" Yeah, he'll overshoot alright. But you'll be flaming debris by then.

PD

And you have just demonstrated the counter argument to that. Of course from all of this came Tom Cruise and Top Gun. :-j

Well, the F-22 does have TVC in 2-D. So I do think it was designed to see maneuvering WVR combat also. But it really depends on ROE.

But any rate, nice video. I've always been awestruck with the maneuvering capabilities of Sukhoi jets. :up:

You are wrong. Thursdays are no missile days. Guns only.

The SU-30 with TV is close to an SU-35, but not quite. The SU-35 is what they built the F-22 to fight, and it really isn't a fair fight. Of course, the SU-35 can kick the butts of the majority of the US forces as you can see by this graph.

-S

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2936/f227by.gif

Have you heard of AIM-120 or AIM-54 ( I saw F-14 wasnt on the list)? Also how does the Flanker track the Lightning 2? The craptacular Scarab?

No offense - all I can see is a short list of unexplained and unsubstantiated ratios that don't mean anything to me. I'm wary of statistics. What's the source?

Not to mention the fact there aren't any Su-35s in service anywhere. I believe there's a half dozen or so in Russia used for testing.

PD

I've seen them before. Some defense research agency called DERA IIRC did them. Of course, no one knows exaclty what assumptions they used.

I'm pretty sure the AIM-120 is factored in. But the Russians presumably are calculated to have their R-77 and R-37 weapons as well, so that evens out.

The fact they can't see it well probably contributed to the 10:1 ratio they estimated - probably they calculated the Americans getting the first shot and assumed a high hit rate. However, presumably they will use IRST tracking.

Supercruise actually becomes a MINUS in a stealth plane going against someone with an IRST. You can try and intermix the exhaust to reduce the temperature differential, but the engine exhaust is still quite hot, and missiles and IRSTs these days track from the front as well. Supercruise increases frictional heating, which shows up on the IRST as a target. Once the F-22 gets detected, it loses its stealth advantage and the fight gets decided on much different terms.

Oh how I long for the days of the R-40 (AA-6 Acrid) and R-33 (AA-9 Amos)... :roll:

Actually, you may not want that. Sure, American weapons tended to be better than their Soviet counterparts, but before AMRAAM, long range BVR missiles generally have pretty low hit percentages (IIRC, some reports suggest even the AMRAAM hit rate fell by the time of Kosovo, which suggests people have started thinking how to defeat it) all around.

The day of the Acrid is also the day of the pre-L versions of the Sidewinder, when all missile hit percentages were poor.

SU 35's are used by the russian airforce and are in service but they have been super seeded by the more advance and monoverable SU37 and that will be out done again very soon with the SU42 if its ever built.