British MOD Says UFO's Aren't Real
 

UFO study finds no sign of aliens (BBC News)

A confidential Ministry of Defence report on Unidentified Flying Objects has concluded that there is no proof of alien life forms.
In spite of the secrecy surrounding the UFO study, it seems citizens of planet Earth have little to worry about.

The report, which was completed in 2000 and stamped "Secret: UK Eyes Only", has been made public for the first time.

Only a small number of copies were produced and the identity of the man who wrote it has been protected.

His findings were only made public thanks to the Freedom of Information Act, after a request by Sheffield Hallam University academic Dr David Clarke.

The four-year study - entitled Unidentified Aerial Phenomena in the UK - tackles the long-running question by UFO-spotters: "Is anyone out there?"

The answer, it seems, is "no".

The 400-page report puts it like this: "No evidence exists to suggest that the phenomena seen are hostile or under any type of control, other than that of natural physical forces."

It adds: "There is no evidence that 'solid' objects exist which could cause a collision hazard."

So if there are no such things as little green men in spaceships or flying saucers, why have so many people reported seeing them?

Well, here is the science bit.

"Evidence suggests that meteors and their well-known effects and, possibly some other less-known effects are responsible for some unidentified aerial phenomena," concludes the report.


Meteors may have been responsible for some UFO sightings

"Considerable evidence exists to support the thesis that the events are almost certainly attributable to physical, electrical and magnetic phenomena in the atmosphere, mesosphere and ionosphere.

"They appear to originate due to more than one set of weather and electrically-charged conditions and are observed so infrequently as to make them unique to the majority of observers."

People who claim to have had a "close encounter" are often difficult to persuade that they did not really see what they thought they saw. The report offers a possible medical explanation.

"The close proximity of plasma related fields can adversely affect a vehicle or person," states the report.

"Local fields of this type have been medically proven to cause responses in the temporal lobes of the human brain. These result in the observer sustaining (and later describing and retaining) his or her own vivid, but mainly incorrect, description of what is experienced."

There are, of course, other causes of UFOs - aeroplanes with particularly bright lights, stray odd-shaped balloons and strange flocks of birds, to name but a few.


The report admits its findings will not persuade everyone

Yet, it will be difficult to convince everyone that there is a rational explanation for all mysterious movements in the sky.

Some UFO-spotters believe governments will always cover up the truth about UFOs, because they are afraid of admitting that there is something beyond their control.

It is not clear how much time and effort the MoD has spent looking at the skies in recent years, but it appears there are no plans for an in-depth UFO report like the one written in 2000.

A MoD spokesperson said: "Both this study and the original "Flying Saucer Working Party" [already in public domain in the national Archives] concluded that there is insufficient evidence to indicate the presence of any genuine unidentified aerial phenomena.

"It is unlikely that we would carry out any future studies unless such evidence were to emerge."

Riiiiiggghhhttt....

Can't say I ever witnessed one close up. However, I was once in the Black Hills of South Dakota about ten years ago camping. I just happened to look up and see a bright shining object (a little larger than the largest star) traverse the sky much much faster than any satellite (they're easily seen away from the city lights). There was no trail that would accompany a meteor, nor was there any jet noise. So...

I've met quite a few individuals in the military who have witnessed these craft, and to some extent their stories are quite harrowing (from a military technology standpoint).

Astronaut Gordon Cooper's story is quite interesting-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Cooper

A good book to read is "Above Top Secret" by Timothy Good. :o

Yours, Mike

And yet in the same vein....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ne/4977134.stm

But there you have it, I doubt we'd get a straight answer out of anyone bar the ETs, though it's likely that a fair few UFOs are not ET in origin but military test vehicles...particularly the B-2 and F-117 when they were in testing, I should imagine they helped give rise to the flying triangles.
But there's gotta be something out there, there's just too much space for there not to be.

Same with angels, science says there can not be such a thing.

Yet many have seen them !

British MOD Says UFO's Aren't Real
 

I see one on a regular basis... :D

To be more serious: I don't believe in UFO's, Flying Saucers etc.
Some may have been test vehicles.

However, there could be something like supernatural life forms... :hmm:

Who are we that we should be the only ones in the Universe ??
It may bee that there are no UFO's realy seen on this Planet, but the whole Univers is soooooo Big and in many parts Older the the Earth itself and if the Theory that life came to earth by comets and meteors is right the to asume that Humans are the only inteligent Race in the Univers is just ignorant.

Let's asume that there are races who are older then the Humans and have a much higher technological level then we. If they could invent the long distance space travell, why should they come to us ?? If they come what would they think about us ? Why should they hide from us or oposite why should the show themself to us.

It's a theme with no ends as there is no prove for their exisence as well as there is no prove against their existance. (Jet ?? )

Re: British MOD Says UFO's Aren't Real
 

Me not going to tell you my angle story, too afraid I will blush.

:oops:

"They" may very well be out there, but "there" is a very big place of which we occupy a mere pindrop in both space and time (the history of our species to present).

I have seen a meteor burn up (presumably, it was fairly far off) in the sky though and it was a very spectacular sight even though it probably lasted all of a second or two. :up:

Check out number 35, "UFO Hypothesis and Survival Questions" at the following link-

http://www.nsa.gov/ufo/index.cfm

Yours, Mike

For a few years I was walking down the beach, it was a grey day, low clouds all over.
At one moment I see someone els staring at the horizon. When I look in the same direction I see a small light moving with a incredible speed.
Other people start staring too.
Then, after four or five seconds and in in a flash of light, the sun breaks through a hole in the clouds.
I then was aware I was holding my breath for seconds before we understand what happens, people start laughing, relieved. Phew! :(

Tell that to the little green men I saw in my backyard after I drank a twelve pack.

Considering space goes on forever and ever I would think it's improbable we are the only lifeforms.

Arrogance should be made optional in the British journalism curriculum.

Listen up people the threat of UFO'S is in hand we got S.H.A.D.O


Are first line of defence, Interceptors.

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Are second line in the atmosphere, Skyone

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And if they land.

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We got the Mobiles.

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DON'T PANIC IT'S ALL UNDER CONTROL.

http://www.ufoseries.com/guide/strakersCar.jpg
:D My Mums been in this car :up:


But don't worry, X-com has it under control too :up:

http://www.clive.nl/images/24784.jpg

oberon's mum works for Ed Straker :up:

You eathlings don't know that with each War Game out there we just test how you would defense yourselfes against us :rotfl:
We have taken over all of the Computer industry and B.G. is our representative on your Planet.


Earth your Doomed :zzz:

That's what you think.......

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Ed Straker is on your case you alien.

Science is not omnipotent. In it'S claim to be able to explain and to deal with all and everything, it tends to see earth as the centre of the universe, and all cosmos can only be constructed in a way so that human mind can master it. - We are still as egocentirc as we were during the medieval, we just hide it in a most subtle self-betraying.
But the opposite position to this critcism is attractive, but nevertheless a trap, too: while I dislike the self-understanding of science as to be fit with all tools to explain all and everything, which I severly doubt, some people now go and tell us that ignoring science and fall for the most phantastic follies is a virtue, and that it is true if only you would believe in it.

Skybird'S most-hated poster ever: Fox Mulder's office, a flying saucer and above that the headline: "I WANT TO BELIEVE" Aaaargh!

What I like in science - as i understand it - is set at it's base. In it's best understanding it is a very sceptical mindset. It is, in my understanding, so sceptiacl, that it even is sceptical about itself, it's means and tools and potentials. Science, as I understand it, rules nothing out from the beginning, it is open for all perspectives, whicht hen get examined in a systematical manner, by use of reason of logic (at least often).

but today science is a busi9ness, and an opportunity for careers. To be succesfuly, you need to adopt to the paradims of your time, you need to make compromises. creativity suffers from that, and honesty. With the ongoing selling of scientific institutes all over the world to the econom,ical big players, knowledge and insights is loosijng in value, the demand is shifting to science' responsebility of delivering the tools that the industry is in need for to be successful in it's fields of profits. Science is more and more suffering from opportunistic tunnelview.

On the other side of the masses of people being interested in UFOs and the like, are the bekievers. These people DO WANT to believe, soemtimes as a religion in itself, sometimes in service of their orthodox religion. The symptoms this audience is producing often are rediculous.

The way we talk aboutUFOS already may be hindering our understanding of it. Most people think they are classical, mechanical means of spoaceships, that fly from A to B and land on poor mother Earth to haunt the natives. then science comes and say that it cannot travel at such speeds from A to B, so it is impossible that someone else maybe can, and so UFOs cannot exist. Or other ways of argueing like this.

I personally believe that a phenomenon that a wide public names as "UFOs" or "Aliens" does exist, however, I do not think thewre is a flying saucer under every cup of coffee. I doubt most sigthings, and I do not follow most theories. I observe the talking, or btter: the babbling both camps are producing in their heated debate about pro and contra the existence of foreign intelligence. A foreign intelligence not beeing so kind to stay where it is until mankind reaches out and discovers it to man's conditions, no, we are talking about an intelligence that is able to shake our imagined feeling of being safe from being discovered on our little earth by being so rude to come to us and contact earth to it's own conditions, instead of ours. A scandal, isn't it! How could "they"?

Well, do they? I am not interested in those 98 % of sightings that are explained by weather and air traffic ophenomenons. I am talking about those less than 2% of sightings from professional personnel that was able to rule out disfunctioning technical equipment, that made precise descriptions of a flight behavior that impossibly can be done by man-made aircraft, and that also could not be explained by atmospherical phenomenons, or testflights of new, secret airplanes, wetaher ballons or such. Some of the attempts in the past decades to shake the UFO hypothesis had been so idiotic claims and stupid arguments, that one even could feel offended by how stupid they thought all people of the public audience must be.

Do I believe in UFOS, grey little men and adbuctions? Neither yes, nor no. I keep my mind open, but have stopped to actively being busy with this. I know that there are interesting links between abduction exprriences, and old mythology, and near death experiences (the latter has been a special interest of mine as a psychologist). I know that there is a small handful of books of scietifically skilled researchers that cannot be wiped off the table so easily. They came to some research results and conclusions that may not reach as far as the UFO believers would want them to go, but they are able to defend their conclusions by clear logical argument, and sometimes evidence. Nevertheless, the UFO-sceptics and governments are officially thinking they are already going to far. Usucally, neither believers nor sceptics like these persons, and they often are isolated by both.

I said I beloieve the pohenomenon exists, and there is a hard core in it, that has nothing to do with natural sciences, technics, and military stuff. I never believed in the thewory of aliens flying from Sirius to Earth to save us, to conquer us, or to study us (not to mention to eat our babies or rape our women). I think that the usualy clear separation between the field of the material world and the psychological world maybe needs to be perceived as being transcended here. I could imagine that what we recognize as being aliens and strange,m maybe is part of ourselve, our world, our life, our mind - who knows. I even think our own mind could be causing these vistiors from outer space, not as a hallucination, but a material reality that could transition between both level of existence as it like, for whatever the reason may be. I think that we need to re-discopver a btter knowledge and understanding of old mytholgies from various tribes and people here. What I believe very strongly is that if there are visitors, they must not necessarily come from very far away, nor from our level of existence, or dimension - understanding dimension as only one of a many different reflections of one and the same cósmos, that appears to be a very different thing with every reflection, nevertheless always is one and the same.

To end with Fox Mulder again: maybe it is not like that "the truth is out there", somewhere, but inside of us. Maybe the outer space and the inner space have more in common than our materialistic perception allows us to see. And maybe the humand person, it'S life and existence, it'S mind and the answer to the question why it is there, is so much more than both sceptical scientists and euphoric believers even could imagine.


It's not only that our vision is not deep enough. Maybe it also is not wide enough.

Visitors from far away worlds? Hardly. Manifestations of intelligence that our scientific or believing mind cannot perceive as such? Possibly. The need to better understand our own mind, and another level of existence concluded by that? Definetly.

"The truth, as always, will be far stranger". (Arthur C. Clarke ["2001"] )

Don't worry we have the Federation Starfleet to defend Earth. :up:
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... yep were screwed...
Starfleet Command: Fighting incompetently against numerically inferior enemies in our own territory since 2161
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:damn: :damn: :damn:
This is what happens when you take all the funding and put it in to Science and Exploration programs instead of funding the MACOs and Starfleet Marines for when you need to bust some (ridged) heads.
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Seen couple of UFO's (Unidentified Flying Objects that is, not flying saucers) myself but can't really tell if they were just earthlings with their machines or visitors from space.

Anyway.. when it comes to some advanced extra-terrestrial lifeform that might be checking us out, I believe we'd know about it as much as ants would know about the little microcamera David Attenborough inserts in to their nest.