How many kills would a Kilo be expected to make?
 

...before it'd be destroyed? I'm not talking about the Russian's Kilo. The ones in Iranian and Chinese hands. And the theoretical opponent is the US Navy, obviously. So....how many? 1 kill for 1 Kilo or would the Kilo be expected to take out a whole flotilla before giving the game up?

I'll give the Kilo one attack, then all h*** will break out.

Thanks for the quick reply Bill. So would that be considered a success or failure for the Kilo...cost effective wise? At what point would a Kilo be considered a "good investment"? If it took out a FFG then got destroyed...is that good for the Kilo?

Depends on the scenario, a clever captain could position his boat in a way to avoid detection and then fire a slow running torpedo and clear the datum at best speed. It's harder to do in a diesel than in a nuc I'd say but probably still possible.
However, if this is in open water, then the Kilo's dead anyway, they're primarily coastal boats, they can hide in the shallows, come out...fire...then hide again, the sonar condictions in the shallows are a little bit tougher than open water I think, so it'd be slightly easier to hide, plus you could use natural landmarks like coves and inlets, places where a nuclear boat can't go.

Depends on whose commanding it. If I’m commanding trust me there going to be blood!
TLAM Strike: Mercenary Submarine Captain

But seriously a Kilo cost what 47,000,000 USD? While a FFG-7 costs only 16,000,000 USD. So nailing one FFG would not “pay for� the Kilo.

Iran's Kilos aren't really expected to kill anything. Just the fact that they were out, or rumored to be out, in a threatening posture would seal the Strait of Hormuz and strangle a huge amount of oil traffic out of the Persian/Arabian Gulf. That's their job.

Chinese Kilos would probably do something similar to the Malacca Strait, Spratly Islands, etc.

If the Iranians can get their Kilo's out of port that is a positive for them! :-j :lol:

Better give Iran a positive, then:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...c80b33b1d78ceb

Is it just me or is there a big ass dent just under her forward planes?

And here I was about to say that she looked like she was in pretty decent shape...looks like its just some rust though...maybe they've fallen into a little disrepair.

Iranian XO to CO:
"Captain, we're at 15 meters, passing crush depth!"

The Iranians?

Zero.

We know when their XO farts in his sleep.

Lol! :)
But nice that the thread started off with the assumption that the Kilo would be killed no matter what. :)
:know:

Re: How many kills would a Kilo be expected to make?
 

All by itself, I'm with Bill. I give the Kilo one salvo before they throw the kitchen sink at 'em. Then he might still luck out, but it'd be luck, not anything special about the Kilo.

These Kilos are the only thing in Iran's arsenal that make me sweat. But I don't think they're nothing the USN couldn't handle. :ping:

In general, you always want to target the biggest, most expensive units, which have the biggest impact on the outcome of the war.

Taking out an FFG wouldn't be the ideal thing to do if all you had was a kilo. That'd be the kilo losing the battle.

If you were smart, you'd sit and wait, then go for a CVN or an LHA/D. If you sank one of those, it's be like another 9/11. Imagine 3-5000 Marines and sailors dead in one day. Failing that, the next best thing to go for would be logistics ships and small gators. If a kilo sank any of those, the kilo commander would probably be very happy.

This kind of marginal utility question really depends a lot on the tactics one might expect any of these nations might use. You'd probably best ask a Chinese or Iranian analyst for their thoughts on it.

Beware, History has proven more than once that they are the ones that underestimate others that will get kick in their a...

in the old days of cold war submarines were seen as Expendable now days its not so, the more ships the better kilo should realy kill at least 6 to make a diffrence , after all there was 24 built only 11 remain.

The kilo nowdays is quite limited in what it can do, the russian ones cant go very deep or fast (same as all) and they are now getting fairly old so today id say one shot one kill where as if it was akula it be at least 20.

:o Maybe in the USSR...

The were bill why do you think they launched over 250 whiskeys? not because they had some spear cash it was simply because they knew that they couldnt comete with the west's tech so to get round it they built up in numbers.

The could affored to "loose a few"

Note the look on Bill's face. Thats the "Their telling me this now" look. :D

... dozen... :lol: